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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 18:08:58 GMT
Where did I mention top 10? 500k on two strikers should give us enough to keep you out of the relegation zone surely? Show me where the teams 5 or 6 places above us have spent that sort of money on a strike partnership? If people are expecting a promotion push under these owners then they are quite frankly deluded but what has been spent could and should have been better spent than on being in the last 4 and tonked at home by Doncaster. How that can even be debated is beyond me. In what context are you saying that though? Across 1 season? No one apart from the big 4 have spent that money in 1 season. Across 2.5 seasons there are probably 15 teams that have spent £500k on player transfers. In 2016/17 we bought Nichols for £330k after selling Taylor for £300k. And buy Sercombe for £100k. In 2017/18 we sell Bodin for £500k we buy Mensah for £100k, who was knocking them in for Aldershot. In 2018 we sell Ellis for £750k and buy Payne for £100k. So that works out at an average of about £175k per year on transfers. That is not acceptable for a L1 club who want top 10 football. You build and invest season on season around the players you make up the spine. If you lose big we should spend relatively big to replace. We haven’t. Simple. We have sold all our quality and expected DC to find similar gems for a tenth of their value. Occasionally you will hit a jackpot but mostly you will bust. But isn't this a problem every football club faces? Or are we somehow special? How do Accrington cope? By your logic they should be bottom of the table? |
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Post by gasheadpirate on Dec 8, 2018 18:21:10 GMT
It began at the beginning of the season. It has just taken some longer to see it. Well it wasn't you GHP seeing as you only registered in November!! I didn’t realise being a member of this forum is the only way you can be a Rovers supporter. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 18:24:32 GMT
Partington and martin are not truly capable of playing as wing backs so that looked an issue even before the game.
The recruitment has done for the manager both this season and last with a couple of exceptions.
We have lost taylor,brown,bodin and harrison but we signed utter dross and dc has to take the blame for that imo.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 8, 2018 18:25:58 GMT
In what context are you saying that though? Across 1 season? No one apart from the big 4 have spent that money in 1 season. Across 2.5 seasons there are probably 15 teams that have spent £500k on player transfers. In 2016/17 we bought Nichols for £330k after selling Taylor for £300k. And buy Sercombe for £100k. In 2017/18 we sell Bodin for £500k we buy Mensah for £100k, who was knocking them in for Aldershot. In 2018 we sell Ellis for £750k and buy Payne for £100k. So that works out at an average of about £175k per year on transfers. That is not acceptable for a L1 club who want top 10 football. You build and invest season on season around the players you make up the spine. If you lose big we should spend relatively big to replace. We haven’t. Simple. We have sold all our quality and expected DC to find similar gems for a tenth of their value. Occasionally you will hit a jackpot but mostly you will bust. But isn't this a problem every football club faces? Or are we somehow special? How do Accrington cope? By your logic they should be bottom of the table? The season after we beat Accrington they nearly went out the league as they lost 4 of their main players from that year. Coleman spent a year rebuilding and they won promotion last year helped by the distinct advantage of getting a lot of northern based players not having to move too far to play league football for a semi decent wage. This year the only player they lost was their keeper and they have the momentum we had when we finished 10th 2 years ago following our promotion and keeping roughly the same squad together. They are in the same position as we were in 16/17. 2 years on from our promotion our board have not invested in our club. In fact we have gone backwards and DC was absolutely correct to point it out. Look at the above facts I have produced. Our transfer business and the lack of investment at the club with all DC has promised has stagnated us and now it’s biting us firmly on the arse. The warning signs were there this time last year, just nobody bothered to pay it any real attention. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 8, 2018 18:37:11 GMT
Can't believe people are still saying we were unlucky or that we didn't deserve that.
We were utter sh**.
The team that got us relegated to the conference would have beat us today.
For the first time ever I left early and went when the 4th went in.
HTY sacked off coming in ages ago and it's becoming really hard to justify the effort to come in to a freezing cold, wet and windy tent to watch that utter dross.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 8, 2018 18:40:14 GMT
Who the hell is going to want 5 of our squad? Yeovil could be worse..! |
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Post by pirate on Dec 8, 2018 18:41:20 GMT
Partington and martin are not truly capable of playing as wing backs so that looked an issue even before the game. The recruitment has done for the manager both this season and last with a couple of exceptions. We have lost taylor,brown,bodin and harrison but we signed utter dross and dc has to take the blame for that imo. He admitted in his post match interview he has made tactical errors and his signings haven't been good enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 18:44:14 GMT
But isn't this a problem every football club faces? Or are we somehow special? How do Accrington cope? By your logic they should be bottom of the table? The season after we beat Accrington they nearly went out the league as they lost 4 of their main players from that year. Coleman spent a year rebuilding and they won promotion last year helped by the distinct advantage of getting a lot of northern based players not having to move too far to play league football for a semi decent wage. This year the only player they lost was their keeper and they have the momentum we had when we finished 10th 2 years ago following our promotion and keeping roughly the same squad together. They are in the same position as we were in 16/17. 2 years on from our promotion our board have not invested in our club. In fact we have gone backwards and DC was absolutely correct to point it out. Look at the above facts I have produced. Our transfer business and the lack of investment at the club with all DC has promised has stagnated us and now it’s biting us firmly on the arse. The warning signs were there this time last year, just nobody bothered to pay it any real attention. I just don't buy it that we have any less to spend than the likes of Shrewsbury or Accrington or Blackpool who are renowned for having the tightest chairman around - are you telling me their budget is significantly better than ours?! I will concede that location gives an advantage to a certain extent but there seems a real failure on this forum to apportion Clarke with any sort of accountability whatsoever. He sounded pretty pleased with himself to sign Bennett! He wasn't complaining about funds then because he thought Bennett was a quality player. Well newsflash: he ain't and that is all on DC. And are you telling me that DC's budget meant he was forced to sign Craig? Is it the fault of the budget that in all of the hundreds of players in all of the divisions he couldn't sign a 6ft+ centre back that can deal with balls into the box? Still, just keep playing the world's smallest violin to keep DC's chest puffed out. All of the promotions were 100% to do with him and our current predicament is 100% the board. The man just can't do any wrong in some people's eyes. |
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Post by madgas on Dec 8, 2018 19:00:37 GMT
Bennett is a decent player. I don’t get the hate. The problem is up top.
We’ve been sliding because we never replaced Taylor.
Got by with Bodin smashing them from all shorts.
Then Harrison became something.
We’ve replaced a 20 goal league striker with cheap options over and over again. I’ve defended the board previously but it appears evolution is very slow.
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Post by z1zou on Dec 8, 2018 19:18:09 GMT
If we all just accept that we are a bottom 4 squad, go into every game as underdogs rather than having a feeling of entitlement to be doing better, anything is a bonus.
The harsh reality is we Deserve to be where we are, and more worryingly, most people would expect the likes of Plymouth and Bradford to significantly improve.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 19:32:09 GMT
We're the better side, just the same old problem of failing to put the ball in the net. If we don't get a goalscorer in during January, relegation is inevitable. The better side?? What game you watching?? I stick by that...up to half time. We had good possession and whilst they were a definite threat on the break, we created more than they did in the first half but as usual didn't make the most of our chances. On another day we could easily have gone in at least level. Second half however was shocking. Two soft goals and from there on in it was damage limitation. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 8, 2018 19:43:49 GMT
The better side?? What game you watching?? I stick by that...up to half time. We had good possession and whilst they were a definite threat on the break, we created more than they did in the first half but as usual didn't make the most of our chances. On another day we could easily have gone in at least level. Second half however was shocking. Two soft goals and from there on in it was damage limitation. The first 2 goals were soft goals too. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 8, 2018 19:45:40 GMT
The better side?? What game you watching?? I stick by that...up to half time. We had good possession and whilst they were a definite threat on the break, we created more than they did in the first half but as usual didn't make the most of our chances. On another day we could easily have gone in at least level. Second half however was shocking. Two soft goals and from there on in it was damage limitation. The first 2 goals were soft goals too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 19:55:35 GMT
I stick by that...up to half time. We had good possession and whilst they were a definite threat on the break, we created more than they did in the first half but as usual didn't make the most of our chances. On another day we could easily have gone in at least level. Second half however was shocking. Two soft goals and from there on in it was damage limitation. The first 2 goals were soft goals too. To be fair their first was an unstoppable worldie! I agree though that we defended appallingly today. My fault...I said in the week that I couldn't remember Tony Craig having a bad game and then today he was terrible (as were Lockyer and Partington). |
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 8, 2018 19:59:19 GMT
The season after we beat Accrington they nearly went out the league as they lost 4 of their main players from that year. Coleman spent a year rebuilding and they won promotion last year helped by the distinct advantage of getting a lot of northern based players not having to move too far to play league football for a semi decent wage. This year the only player they lost was their keeper and they have the momentum we had when we finished 10th 2 years ago following our promotion and keeping roughly the same squad together. They are in the same position as we were in 16/17. 2 years on from our promotion our board have not invested in our club. In fact we have gone backwards and DC was absolutely correct to point it out. Look at the above facts I have produced. Our transfer business and the lack of investment at the club with all DC has promised has stagnated us and now it’s biting us firmly on the arse. The warning signs were there this time last year, just nobody bothered to pay it any real attention. I just don't buy it that we have any less to spend than the likes of Shrewsbury or Accrington or Blackpool who are renowned for having the tightest chairman around - are you telling me their budget is significantly better than ours?! I will concede that location gives an advantage to a certain extent but there seems a real failure on this forum to apportion Clarke with any sort of accountability whatsoever. He sounded pretty pleased with himself to sign Bennett! He wasn't complaining about funds then because he thought Bennett was a quality player. Well newsflash: he ain't and that is all on DC. And are you telling me that DC's budget meant he was forced to sign Craig? Is it the fault of the budget that in all of the hundreds of players in all of the divisions he couldn't sign a 6ft+ centre back that can deal with balls into the box? Still, just keep playing the world's smallest violin to keep DC's chest puffed out. All of the promotions were 100% to do with him and our current predicament is 100% the board. The man just can't do any wrong in some people's eyes. If you concede that area makes a little difference then look at the squads of Accrington, Blackpool and Shrewsbury. The first 2 all have players that have joined when released from clubs within a 45 mile radius of their new club. Clubs like Wigan, Bolton, Burnley and Sheffield Utd. They have players on loan from Northern Championship teams. Only 3 players I can see moved up from southern clubs. Shrews have the same with most of the midlands clubs. Shrews also have a better stadium where they garner extra income outside the matchday. It’s not that DC can so no wrong because today he was culpable but you have to, have to look at how he has been treated in the last 18 months and conclude he has been lied to and mislead, just the same as us fans. You strip him of all his tools and still expect the same results. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 8, 2018 20:26:13 GMT
The first 2 goals were soft goals too. To be fair their first was an unstoppable worldie! I agree though that we defended appallingly today. My fault...I said in the week that I couldn't remember Tony Craig having a bad game and then today he was terrible (as were Lockyer and Partington). Everyone in the back 5 were all stood pointing at one another and failed to close him down, though I'm sure the wind played a part and it was a good goal, the defence were static. Im the opposite to you, I can only remember Craig having no more than a handful of decent games for us. All just opinions I guess.  |
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Post by utg12 on Dec 8, 2018 20:44:17 GMT
We're the better side, just the same old problem of failing to put the ball in the net. If we don't get a goalscorer in during January, relegation is inevitable. The better side?? What game you watching?? A game where scores are given for artistic merit rather than goals?? |
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Post by utg12 on Dec 8, 2018 20:55:32 GMT
Taylor, Bodin and Harrison, our owners sold them ( ok I know they wanted to go) our owners gave DC hardly anything from them three players, name any manager that could have done any better than DC? Wael please sell up and go back to Jordan, I can think of some very strong words towards you and your family right now but I won't,ill keep them to myself.i don't want you and your family at the club I love. Yes, they wanted to go, but what incentives were they given to stay? They obviously didn't believe the glittering promises we were all being made or felt they couldn't come to fruition in time to be relevant to them - the new stadium, the fabulous training facility. Darrell seems to have believed it, and refused the Leeds management offer on the strength of it. And the current situation is the reward for his loyalty - there has been no progress on any of those promises. If the manager has lost the plot after being promised a first class ride and then not even being given a spot in a luggage car crate then I'm not that surprised. Whether or not the current situation is Darrell's fault and whether or not I feel I can still back him now, I do feel sorry for him and think he could have done with much more support from the owners. Even verbal support would have been a start.
Nail on head. Players may stay if they genuinely think promotion can happen and facilities improve. Same for managers. |
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Post by utg12 on Dec 8, 2018 20:57:55 GMT
Great interview on Radio Bristol DC ~ looking to get rid of 4 or 5 Who the hell is going to want 5 of our squad? Pedigree Chum? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 8, 2018 20:59:12 GMT
Who the hell is going to want 5 of our squad? Pedigree Chum? It was certainly a Dam dogs dinner today! |
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