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Post by oldgas on Jan 1, 2021 11:41:59 GMT
I’m not following you around. However if you post directly about me, when you said you weren’t going to anymore because you think I’m a racist * nugget, then start threatening me, I’m not allowed to respond? Anyway, enough of this, Happy New Year. Haha you big girls blouse ! I said I’d speak to you face to face and have a pint with you and you could call me a snowflake to my face .... hardly a threat 😂 I’m married to a serving police officer of over 20 yrs 👮♂️ . Who incidentally agreed that “Eritrean Gimmigrants “ is a blatant racist statement. But you know that anyway . Stop playing the victim again , grow a pair or stop following me around . Happy new year. Ey up, that’s Officer Dribble AND WPC Yatton on my case. Still called me out and made a threat. What’s the law got to say about that? |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 1, 2021 11:45:39 GMT
Ian Dunt writes..... So here we are. Four and a half years, three prime ministers and two elections later, Britain finally has a Brexit deal. To do so, the country became divided by a Remain-vs.-Leave culture war, attacked its own democratic institutions, alienated its allies, and delighted its enemies. And what do we have to show for it? A Partnership Council with Europe, composed of dozens of technical subcommittees. Rarely in British history has such drama and high rhetoric ended in a result so drab. Shortly before Prime Minister Boris Johnson persuaded the House of Commons to support the deal on Wednesday—just two days before it was to come into effect on January 1—he described this as a “historic resolution” that would finally solve the “old and vexed question of Britain’s political relations with Europe.” It is precisely the opposite. This is not the end of anything; it is a beginning. Instead of negotiating as an equal member within the powerful European trading bloc, Britain will negotiate as an underpowered third party facing the wishes of 27 member-states. An intricate web of arbitration and retaliatory tariff-based punishments replace cooperation and debate. And those in Britain who long raged against the European Commission will instead rage against the Partnership Council. The claim that Brexit meant closure was just the latest deceit in this long process, which was rooted in falsehoods from the start. Now that we know what Brexit really looks like, it’s worth recalling what its proponents promised—and considering what the success of populist dishonesty in politics means. 1) It’ll be simple. Michael Gove—a leading figure in the Conservative Party, strong proponent of Leave in the referendum of June 2016, and now senior minister in Johnson’s government—said during the Brexit campaign that “the day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards, and we can choose the path we want.” In fact, Britain struggled to gain any leverage against a much larger economic partner, so agreed to the EU’s conditions of departure and capitulated on nearly all European demands. 2) Our businesses will enjoy full access to Europe. Daniel Hannan, a prominent Leave advocate who last week was rewarded with a seat in the House of Lords, insisted before the referendum that “absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market,” the EU free-trade area for goods and services that accounts for 450 million people across the Continent. In fact, hardline Brexiters in the government—eager to ditch European regulations and rules, and especially to halt influxes of immigrants from the Continent—made departure from the single market a precondition of any Brexit deal. 3) Our people shall live and work in Europe as before. Johnson, the leading Leave advocate during the referendum, wrote just after the vote that “British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down.” In fact, Brits lost the right to free movement. Those who once could have retired to Spain or looked for work in France are no longer able to do so without extensive applications and paperwork. 4) No more red tape. For years, Brexiters insisted that leaving the EU would free British industry from needless European bureaucracy. In reality, the harmonization of regulations and customs meant (and still means for its members) that goods travel all over the EU without paperwork. Now that Britain has left, it faces the full impact of trade bureaucracy: entry and exit clearance, safety and security documents, sanitary and phytosanitary inspections, rules of origin checks. To handle the new backload of trucks queuing at the Dover-Calais trade route, vast parking lots are being built in Kent, a county bordering London that was once known as England’s garden. 5) We’ll restore the rights of parliament. The slogan of the Leave campaign was “Take Back Control,” which emphasized the idea of the British public reclaiming power from an unelected Brussels elite, and returning it to the sovereign parliament in London. In reality, the British governments that sought to implement Brexit have mangled and abused parliament. The first Brexit prime minister, Theresa May, tried to rob the legislature of its role in formally triggering departure from the EU, lest any uneasy members of parliament sought to delay. After this bid failed, she tried to deny parliament a meaningful vote on the Brexit deal that she had proposed. When Johnson took the top job, he suspended parliament altogether and against its will, in a move found to be unlawful by the Supreme Court. On Wednesday, he rammed through the 1,246-page Brexit trade deal in just one day. 6) Brexit means putting “the people” before “the elites.” This was the great lie at the heart of it all. In reality, the government of Johnson (himself about as elite as it gets, a posh graduate of Eton and Oxford who moved effortlessly from establishment journalism to political office) has allowed the well-connected to enrich themselves at public expense. A recent National Audit Office report into government procurement during the Covid pandemic concluded that government officials and members of parliament enjoyed “a high-priority lane” when it came to bids to provide PPE, personal protective equipment. Over £10 billion, about $13.5 billion, in contracts was awarded without competition, with a special channel allowing almost 500 suppliers with links to politicians or senior officials to pitch directly for work. What is remarkable about these lies is not that they were told, or even believed. Politicians have always lied, and there have always been people ready to believe. What is remarkable is that there have been no consequences. The age in which politicians found themselves in trouble for saying one thing and then doing another, or for being demonstrably and repeatedly incorrect, seems to be over. That didn’t start with Brexit. It was a corrosion that took place over years. The Iraq War, with the false claims about weapons of mass destruction, destroyed the trust of many British people in government. Next, the financial crash in 2008 destroyed their trust in big business. A scandal over politicians’ expenses in 2009 destroyed their faith in members of parliament. And the phone-hacking saga in 2011—in which tabloid reporters were caught illegally listening to the voicemails of crime victims among many others—destroyed trust in journalists. Underneath it all, social-media tribalism chiseled away at the notion of empirical truth. By the time of the Brexit referendum, those who had previously evaluated the veracity of statements for the public—fact-checkers, investigative journalists, think tanks and economic institutes—had been branded part of a self-interested metropolitan “elite.” Brexiters used this new context to pursue a project that was demonstrably damaging to the economy, but that fulfilled their long-held ambitions to reverse the diversity, liberalism and international cooperation that typified contemporary Britain. The principle of honor, of being expected to keep one’s word, has now almost completely disintegrated in British public life. Instead, the people who made those false claims sit at the top of national politics. Brexit created an age of frauds, where deception was not a barrier to success, but a precondition. That, in the end, could be the most damaging legacy of Brexit—not the break from Europe or the illusory return of control to “the people.” Its price has been the undermining of truth as a functional concept in British political debate. Very well put. Sad, but true. Thanks for posting Yatton. Just googled Ian Dunt. My God, do you really take anything that Left Wing Remainer lunatic writes? As I say ‘Dear God’ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 11:52:42 GMT
Very well put. Sad, but true. Thanks for posting Yatton. Just googled Ian Dunt. My God, do you really take anything that Left Wing Remainer lunatic writes? As I say ‘Dear God’ Oldgas It's a new year. Why not pick apart the points made, in this case by Mr Dunt, with logic and facts rather than the very lazy and silly labelling of the individual? It neither makes any logical point nor does you any credit. IMHO. It's a new year, reboot? |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 1, 2021 11:58:27 GMT
I have a couple of thousand of these at home, left over because I usually holiday with my family in Catalonia. I shall look forward to returning there to spend them when this Tory inspired and totally mis-managed Virus is finally behind us, and I have no doubt the Spanish authorities will welcome us Brits with open arms to spend our money when we return. That return will be made all the easier due to the fact the UK now has the most wide spread and comprehensive testing regime, was the first to licence the Pfizer vaccine as a result of escaping Brussels did tak, and has now licensed the Oxford vaccine, a British invention, which is far cheaper to manufacture and far, far simpler to transport and store. You never know, the Catalans may even secure independence from Spain, I’m sure they're watching our escape from the EU with great interest. Catalonia is one of Spain’s greatest wealth creators, that’s why they were prepared to use violence and mass arrest to keep them in line. I wonder if they’ll take encouragement from Scotland’s efforts. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 1, 2021 12:17:50 GMT
Just googled Ian Dunt. My God, do you really take anything that Left Wing Remainer lunatic writes? As I say ‘Dear God’ Oldgas It's a new year. Why not pick apart the points made, in this case by Mr Dunt, with logic and facts rather than the very lazy and silly labelling of the individual? It neither makes any logical point nor does you any credit. IMHO. It's a new year, reboot? oh come on Oldie, I doubt Yatton could have found an individual with more extremist views to quote. That’s fine, we can all have our views on things and we none of us are going to change anything anyway. When you woke up this morning was the sun making an attempt to peep through the gloom and grey skies? We’re the sparrows gathering in the trees at the bottom of your garden for bread crusts from the morning table? The world has continued to turn the seasons will follow and the moon will wax and wax through a 28 day cycle. No one will hardly notice any change as a result of Brexit because life and commerce between us and Europe will continue much as before, because it will have to. You may ask, so what was the point of Brexit? My answer is that we have our sovereign nationhood back. That means a great deal to me, as it did to 17.4 million other people. No longer will we have faceless Eurocrats in Brussels telling us what we can and can’t do, and using the laws of a foreign power and court to enforce their instructions. There is no reason why we can’t now go forward in a spirit of friendship with our near neighbours, and make it work for all our benefits. I view this forum as a bit of fun, it is totally inconsequential, but it’s surprising how people’s feelings get the better of them and quite unpleasant things get written. If I have genuinely upset anyone then I apologise. At the end of the day we’re all Gasheads so have a common and lifelong shared interest. This forum should only ever be about having a bit of fun and banter. So on that note Happy New Year. It’s got to be better, hasn’t it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 12:36:00 GMT
Oldgas It's a new year. Why not pick apart the points made, in this case by Mr Dunt, with logic and facts rather than the very lazy and silly labelling of the individual? It neither makes any logical point nor does you any credit. IMHO. It's a new year, reboot? oh come on Oldie, I doubt Yatton could have found an individual with more extremist views to quote. That’s fine, we can all have our views on things and we none of us are going to change anything anyway. When you woke up this morning was the sun making an attempt to peep through the gloom and grey skies? We’re the sparrows gathering in the trees at the bottom of your garden for bread crusts from the morning table? The world has continued to turn the seasons will follow and the moon will wax and wax through a 28 day cycle. No one will hardly notice any change as a result of Brexit because life and commerce between us and Europe will continue much as before, because it will have to. You may ask, so what was the point of Brexit? My answer is that we have our sovereign nationhood back. That means a great deal to me, as it did to 17.4 million other people. No longer will we have faceless Eurocrats in Brussels telling us what we can and can’t do, and using the laws of a foreign power and court to enforce their instructions. There is no reason why we can’t now go forward in a spirit of friendship with our near neighbours, and make it work for all our benefits. I view this forum as a bit of fun, it is totally inconsequential, but it’s surprising how people’s feelings get the better of them and quite unpleasant things get written. If I have genuinely upset anyone then I apologise. At the end of the day we’re all Gasheads so have a common and lifelong shared interest. This forum should only ever be about having a bit of fun and banter. So on that note Happy New Year. It’s got to be better, hasn’t it? Let's hope it is better, it cannot be worse...can it? On the broader point, I agree this forum is just a bit of fun but, especially in the situation we find ourselves in, it can be home to interesting discussions between people who approach the issues that we face equally, from different viewpoints. So I go back to my point, it's a new year, Brexit is done and we will all have to live with the gain / loss as a result. Beneath all that we have a very large number of issues to resolve in the UK. I realise you don't agree that there are such issues but you have never explained why? Can we do that, discuss, without resorting to lazy labels? |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 1, 2021 13:17:28 GMT
Haha you big girls blouse ! I said I’d speak to you face to face and have a pint with you and you could call me a snowflake to my face .... hardly a threat 😂 I’m married to a serving police officer of over 20 yrs 👮♂️ . Who incidentally agreed that “Eritrean Gimmigrants “ is a blatant racist statement. But you know that anyway . Stop playing the victim again , grow a pair or stop following me around . Happy new year. Ey up, that’s Officer Dribble AND WPC Yatton on my case. Still called me out and made a threat. What’s the law got to say about that? Point out the threat mr Racist ? |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 1, 2021 14:12:36 GMT
oh come on Oldie, I doubt Yatton could have found an individual with more extremist views to quote. That’s fine, we can all have our views on things and we none of us are going to change anything anyway. When you woke up this morning was the sun making an attempt to peep through the gloom and grey skies? We’re the sparrows gathering in the trees at the bottom of your garden for bread crusts from the morning table? The world has continued to turn the seasons will follow and the moon will wax and wax through a 28 day cycle. No one will hardly notice any change as a result of Brexit because life and commerce between us and Europe will continue much as before, because it will have to. You may ask, so what was the point of Brexit? My answer is that we have our sovereign nationhood back. That means a great deal to me, as it did to 17.4 million other people. No longer will we have faceless Eurocrats in Brussels telling us what we can and can’t do, and using the laws of a foreign power and court to enforce their instructions. There is no reason why we can’t now go forward in a spirit of friendship with our near neighbours, and make it work for all our benefits. I view this forum as a bit of fun, it is totally inconsequential, but it’s surprising how people’s feelings get the better of them and quite unpleasant things get written. If I have genuinely upset anyone then I apologise. At the end of the day we’re all Gasheads so have a common and lifelong shared interest. This forum should only ever be about having a bit of fun and banter. So on that note Happy New Year. It’s got to be better, hasn’t it? Let's hope it is better, it cannot be worse...can it? On the broader point, I agree this forum is just a bit of fun but, especially in the situation we find ourselves in, it can be home to interesting discussions between people who approach the issues that we face equally, from different viewpoints. So I go back to my point, it's a new year, Brexit is done and we will all have to live with the gain / loss as a result. Beneath all that we have a very large number of issues to resolve in the UK. I realise you don't agree that there are such issues but you have never explained why? Can we do that, discuss, without resorting to lazy labels? Oldie. This is probably the best country to live in in the entire world. Why do so many people risk everything to get here? It seems to me that there are plenty who point out how much is wrong and demand the government of the day spend X amount to put it right, money we clearly don’t have without raising taxes, yet defend this country sending circa £30 billion annually to the EU and foreign aid. That money would surely be better spent here, no? After all, charity is supposed to begin at home, and this country spends far more in aid per GDP than any other country. Can you justify sending aid to countries with nuclear weapons, their own space programmes, etc Etc? I don’t know about anyone else on here; I don’t mind paying 40% tax on a decent part of my income, as well as NI, then 20% VAT on everything I buy out of my remaining taxed income, to see it sent to the EU and abroad. To me, that just isn’t right. So in conclusion, this country although not perfect, is probably the best place in the world to live. Why do people comstantly do it down?it just doesn’t make sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 14:52:58 GMT
Let's hope it is better, it cannot be worse...can it? On the broader point, I agree this forum is just a bit of fun but, especially in the situation we find ourselves in, it can be home to interesting discussions between people who approach the issues that we face equally, from different viewpoints. So I go back to my point, it's a new year, Brexit is done and we will all have to live with the gain / loss as a result. Beneath all that we have a very large number of issues to resolve in the UK. I realise you don't agree that there are such issues but you have never explained why? Can we do that, discuss, without resorting to lazy labels? Oldie. This is probably the best country to live in in the entire world. Why do so many people risk everything to get here? It seems to me that there are plenty who point out how much is wrong and demand the government of the day spend X amount to put it right, money we clearly don’t have without raising taxes, yet defend this country sending circa £30 billion annually to the EU and foreign aid. That money would surely be better spent here, no? After all, charity is supposed to begin at home, and this country spends far more in aid per GDP than any other country. Can you justify sending aid to countries with nuclear weapons, their own space programmes, etc Etc? I don’t know about anyone else on here; I don’t mind paying 40% tax on a decent part of my income, as well as NI, then 20% VAT on everything I buy out of my remaining taxed income, to see it sent to the EU and abroad. To me, that just isn’t right. So in conclusion, this country although not perfect, is probably the best place in the world to live. Why do people comstantly do it down?it just doesn’t make sense. Moving this along, gently perhaps. This is my country also and I want the best for it and it's population. No let me rephrase that...I demand the best for it's population. Whether it's the best country to live in is in the eye of the beholder I would argue. In any event that's an argument about relativety which is pretty pointless. Surely, I would argue, it's how we make, get as close as we can, the country a great place for everybody. That I would argue is not the case. There is far to great a divide economically between regions of the UK. This is not a Marxist argument for equal incomes for everyone, but an argument that demands equality of service provision for health, education and social services for all. I would argue also that even that is not enough without provision of affordable housing. I would argue that these are the basics for any civilised society which, when provided, enable us to make claim to be one of the best to live in. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 1, 2021 15:31:34 GMT
Oldie. This is probably the best country to live in in the entire world. Why do so many people risk everything to get here? It seems to me that there are plenty who point out how much is wrong and demand the government of the day spend X amount to put it right, money we clearly don’t have without raising taxes, yet defend this country sending circa £30 billion annually to the EU and foreign aid. That money would surely be better spent here, no? After all, charity is supposed to begin at home, and this country spends far more in aid per GDP than any other country. Can you justify sending aid to countries with nuclear weapons, their own space programmes, etc Etc? I don’t know about anyone else on here; I don’t mind paying 40% tax on a decent part of my income, as well as NI, then 20% VAT on everything I buy out of my remaining taxed income, to see it sent to the EU and abroad. To me, that just isn’t right. So in conclusion, this country although not perfect, is probably the best place in the world to live. Why do people comstantly do it down?it just doesn’t make sense. Moving this along, gently perhaps. This is my country also and I want the best for it and it's population. No let me rephrase that...I demand the best for it's population. Whether it's the best country to live in is in the eye of the beholder I would argue. In any event that's an argument about relativety which is pretty pointless. Surely, I would argue, it's how we make, get as close as we can, the country a great place for everybody. That I would argue is not the case. There is far to great a divide economically between regions of the UK. This is not a Marxist argument for equal incomes for everyone, but an argument that demands equality of service provision for health, education and social services for all. I would argue also that even that is not enough without provision of affordable housing. I would argue that these are the basics for any civilised society which, when provided, enable us to make claim to be one of the best to live in. Absolutely agree,the key test for me in every circumstance is the following, are those less well off be it the homeless,unemployed, disabled etc fully supported by not only the State but also Society in general and I have to say on too many occasions we all fall short. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 1, 2021 17:59:05 GMT
Moving this along, gently perhaps. This is my country also and I want the best for it and it's population. No let me rephrase that...I demand the best for it's population. Whether it's the best country to live in is in the eye of the beholder I would argue. In any event that's an argument about relativety which is pretty pointless. Surely, I would argue, it's how we make, get as close as we can, the country a great place for everybody. That I would argue is not the case. There is far to great a divide economically between regions of the UK. This is not a Marxist argument for equal incomes for everyone, but an argument that demands equality of service provision for health, education and social services for all. I would argue also that even that is not enough without provision of affordable housing. I would argue that these are the basics for any civilised society which, when provided, enable us to make claim to be one of the best to live in. Absolutely agree,the key test for me in every circumstance is the following, are those less well off be it the homeless,unemployed, disabled etc fully supported by not only the State but also Society in general and I have to say on too many occasions we all fall short. Can’t find fault with this. It seems, however the political class, who are out of touch with ordinary people whatever their persuasion, seem more concerned with looking after everyone else before their own, which I think is a mistake. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 18:04:05 GMT
Oldie. This is probably the best country to live in in the entire world. Why do so many people risk everything to get here? It seems to me that there are plenty who point out how much is wrong and demand the government of the day spend X amount to put it right, money we clearly don’t have without raising taxes, yet defend this country sending circa £30 billion annually to the EU and foreign aid. That money would surely be better spent here, no? After all, charity is supposed to begin at home, and this country spends far more in aid per GDP than any other country. Can you justify sending aid to countries with nuclear weapons, their own space programmes, etc Etc? I don’t know about anyone else on here; I don’t mind paying 40% tax on a decent part of my income, as well as NI, then 20% VAT on everything I buy out of my remaining taxed income, to see it sent to the EU and abroad. To me, that just isn’t right. So in conclusion, this country although not perfect, is probably the best place in the world to live. Why do people comstantly do it down?it just doesn’t make sense. Moving this along, gently perhaps. This is my country also and I want the best for it and it's population. No let me rephrase that...I demand the best for it's population. Whether it's the best country to live in is in the eye of the beholder I would argue. In any event that's an argument about relativety which is pretty pointless. Surely, I would argue, it's how we make, get as close as we can, the country a great place for everybody. That I would argue is not the case. There is far to great a divide economically between regions of the UK. This is not a Marxist argument for equal incomes for everyone, but an argument that demands equality of service provision for health, education and social services for all. I would argue also that even that is not enough without provision of affordable housing. I would argue that these are the basics for any civilised society which, when provided, enable us to make claim to be one of the best to live in. Just a note to say that Marx was anti-egalitarian, he thought that everyone being equal would be a utopian nightmare. 'From each according to ability; to each according to need' Basically everyone should have access to basic needs as a right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 22:18:32 GMT
Let's hope it is better, it cannot be worse...can it? On the broader point, I agree this forum is just a bit of fun but, especially in the situation we find ourselves in, it can be home to interesting discussions between people who approach the issues that we face equally, from different viewpoints. So I go back to my point, it's a new year, Brexit is done and we will all have to live with the gain / loss as a result. Beneath all that we have a very large number of issues to resolve in the UK. I realise you don't agree that there are such issues but you have never explained why? Can we do that, discuss, without resorting to lazy labels? Oldie. This is probably the best country to live in in the entire world. Why do so many people risk everything to get here? It seems to me that there are plenty who point out how much is wrong and demand the government of the day spend X amount to put it right, money we clearly don’t have without raising taxes, yet defend this country sending circa £30 billion annually to the EU and foreign aid. That money would surely be better spent here, no? After all, charity is supposed to begin at home, and this country spends far more in aid per GDP than any other country. Can you justify sending aid to countries with nuclear weapons, their own space programmes, etc Etc? I don’t know about anyone else on here; I don’t mind paying 40% tax on a decent part of my income, as well as NI, then 20% VAT on everything I buy out of my remaining taxed income, to see it sent to the EU and abroad. To me, that just isn’t right. So in conclusion, this country although not perfect, is probably the best place in the world to live. Why do people comstantly do it down?it just doesn’t make sense. It really really isn’t. Make no mistake the plight of young people in this country is going to highlight that in due course if it hasn’t already. For those of the boomer generation who had some opportunities today’s young haven’t been afforded and profited from yeah I can see they probably think they have got it whipped living in Britain but you have to look outside your own world view and comforts to see the social issues coming up the tracks, not least high cost of living vs wages so sh** that the government has to spend 12 billion a year making sure they can be housed because their wages won’t cover food, heating and housing adequately. That doesn’t seem to me to the sign of a fully functioning economy. And that’s just for starters, we could move on to talk about food banks etc. Then there is the social issue in general that Covid has highlighted of how venal our government is (as evidenced but the office of auditing findings that Yatton Gas posted about) and how the people of this country when push came to shove rebelled against Covid measures where other countries got behind them and saw them as being for the greater good. Instead we painted our faces blue and white and gave it the old “FREEEEEEEDOOOOOOM!” bollocks, everyone a little Braveheart acting like they are upholding some fine British tradition of civil disobedience even though it’s a flaming pandemic and asserting your freedoms for no other reason than “just because” is a highly idiotic thing to be doing. Ultimately Britain has got problems because from the average man on the street corner all the way up to the plank in Downing Street we’re a nation of selfish assholes who are in it for themselves and couldn’t give a monkey’s about the wider social issues that are serious dangers to British society because the standard refrain across the country is “hey, as long as I’m alright Jack!”. Absolutely nothing to be proud of. And before people come back with the “hurr durr why don’t you leave then?” well you’ve voted to take that away! |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 2, 2021 9:14:21 GMT
No more streaming from sky when you’re abroad on holidays in the EU on sky go etc
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Post by peterparker on Jan 2, 2021 9:57:15 GMT
Make BREXIT sound really good Brandon. Tweet something like
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Post by oldgas on Jan 2, 2021 11:15:29 GMT
Oldie. This is probably the best country to live in in the entire world. Why do so many people risk everything to get here? It seems to me that there are plenty who point out how much is wrong and demand the government of the day spend X amount to put it right, money we clearly don’t have without raising taxes, yet defend this country sending circa £30 billion annually to the EU and foreign aid. That money would surely be better spent here, no? After all, charity is supposed to begin at home, and this country spends far more in aid per GDP than any other country. Can you justify sending aid to countries with nuclear weapons, their own space programmes, etc Etc? I don’t know about anyone else on here; I don’t mind paying 40% tax on a decent part of my income, as well as NI, then 20% VAT on everything I buy out of my remaining taxed income, to see it sent to the EU and abroad. To me, that just isn’t right. So in conclusion, this country although not perfect, is probably the best place in the world to live. Why do people comstantly do it down?it just doesn’t make sense. It really really isn’t. Make no mistake the plight of young people in this country is going to highlight that in due course if it hasn’t already. For those of the boomer generation who had some opportunities today’s young haven’t been afforded and profited from yeah I can see they probably think they have got it whipped living in Britain but you have to look outside your own world view and comforts to see the social issues coming up the tracks, not least high cost of living vs wages so sh** that the government has to spend 12 billion a year making sure they can be housed because their wages won’t cover food, heating and housing adequately. That doesn’t seem to me to the sign of a fully functioning economy. And that’s just for starters, we could move on to talk about food banks etc. Then there is the social issue in general that Covid has highlighted of how venal our government is (as evidenced but the office of auditing findings that Yatton Gas posted about) and how the people of this country when push came to shove rebelled against Covid measures where other countries got behind them and saw them as being for the greater good. Instead we painted our faces blue and white and gave it the old “FREEEEEEEDOOOOOOM!” bollocks, everyone a little Braveheart acting like they are upholding some fine British tradition of civil disobedience even though it’s a flaming pandemic and asserting your freedoms for no other reason than “just because” is a highly idiotic thing to be doing. Ultimately Britain has got problems because from the average man on the street corner all the way up to the plank in Downing Street we’re a nation of selfish assholes who are in it for themselves and couldn’t give a monkey’s about the wider social issues that are serious dangers to British society because the standard refrain across the country is “hey, as long as I’m alright Jack!”. Absolutely nothing to be proud of. And before people come back with the “hurr durr why don’t you leave then?” well you’ve voted to take that away! SO basically what you’re saying is that Britain is a ah1t place to live, the main reason being that from the average man on the street to the plank in Downing Street we’re a bunch of selfish assholes, the worst in the world. Simple then really. Quite clearly, we’re doomed. You should have taken the opportunity to leave before 31st December 2020. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 2, 2021 12:11:21 GMT
Day 2 of all our sovereignty....... what are you guys doing with all yours today
? I’m taking mine out for a walk with the wife & kids and the dog 🐕. If I see any forineeeers I’m going to ram it down their throats 🇬🇧
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 2, 2021 12:47:03 GMT
It really really isn’t. Make no mistake the plight of young people in this country is going to highlight that in due course if it hasn’t already. For those of the boomer generation who had some opportunities today’s young haven’t been afforded and profited from yeah I can see they probably think they have got it whipped living in Britain but you have to look outside your own world view and comforts to see the social issues coming up the tracks, not least high cost of living vs wages so sh** that the government has to spend 12 billion a year making sure they can be housed because their wages won’t cover food, heating and housing adequately. That doesn’t seem to me to the sign of a fully functioning economy. And that’s just for starters, we could move on to talk about food banks etc. Then there is the social issue in general that Covid has highlighted of how venal our government is (as evidenced but the office of auditing findings that Yatton Gas posted about) and how the people of this country when push came to shove rebelled against Covid measures where other countries got behind them and saw them as being for the greater good. Instead we painted our faces blue and white and gave it the old “FREEEEEEEDOOOOOOM!” bollocks, everyone a little Braveheart acting like they are upholding some fine British tradition of civil disobedience even though it’s a flaming pandemic and asserting your freedoms for no other reason than “just because” is a highly idiotic thing to be doing. Ultimately Britain has got problems because from the average man on the street corner all the way up to the plank in Downing Street we’re a nation of selfish assholes who are in it for themselves and couldn’t give a monkey’s about the wider social issues that are serious dangers to British society because the standard refrain across the country is “hey, as long as I’m alright Jack!”. Absolutely nothing to be proud of. And before people come back with the “hurr durr why don’t you leave then?” well you’ve voted to take that away! SO basically what you’re saying is that Britain is a ah1t place to live, the main reason being that from the average man on the street to the plank in Downing Street we’re a bunch of selfish assholes, the worst in the world. Simple then really. Quite clearly, we’re doomed. You should have taken the opportunity to leave before 31st December 2020. It shouldn't be a binary choice though. Surely someone who is proud of their country should accept shortcomings and address them. The mark of a civilised society is how it treats its most vulnerable, plenty dine right but still a lot to do. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 2, 2021 12:51:30 GMT
Day 2 of all our sovereignty....... what are you guys doing with all yours today ? I’m taking mine out for a walk with the wife & kids and the dog 🐕. If I see any forineeeers I’m going to ram it down their throats 🇬🇧 Ram what down their throats? The mind boggles, although probably not half as much as their throats will. |
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