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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:02:09 GMT
Yes I do have trust. I make that statement despite being on permanent medical treatment through eight weekly intravenous infusions and three other daily drugs so totally take this issue seriously and not use it as a political football. I have total belief that anything imported from outside your beloved EU will be of adequate standard. My views on the EU when it comes to your medical care are not relevant. What is relevant is the quality and cost of imported drugs or equipment. The fact remains that there is no reciprocal agreement on quality standards with China, there is also no trade agreement. As such the latter may or may not cause import tariffs. I have not checked if that would be the case or not. Either way, may I take this opportunity to wish you well. Whether we have a conservative or labour government in place in future I would trust either to ensure any imported pharmaceutical products to be of the highest quality. If you want to believe differently because that supports your pro EU standpoint or because you think the world is at is was 40+ years ago then I don't think anything will change your mind. Thanks for your best wishes by the way but I'm doing fine on my current meds wherever they are from and I'm totally confident that I will be the same post brexit - unless I'm hung, drawn and quartered for being a thick, racist leave voter! |
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Post by jaggas on Aug 1, 2018 21:02:29 GMT
Really? Immigration was not a major theme? Control of our borders, etc. It was a major theme but is suspect a lot of leavers voted to keep out Somalians and Syrians. Get your head round that. Are you really thick and stupid or just pretending? The importing of third world scum bags from Somalia Syria and the like has nothing to do with the EU or Brexit.Blairs government sought out Somalians and the like and imported them as future Labour voters.The British government can refuse entry of scroungers from third world nations but choose to accept them it is nothing to do with Brexit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:05:03 GMT
Understand you may not believe the unemployment figures but that should apply to all government statistics and presumably you have the same view on the immigration figures. After all, they would be compiled in a similar methodology. We either take them all at face value allowing for some degree of variation and inaccuracy or we don't accept any. If it is the latter then we can only form an opinion based on our own experiences and the anecdotal evidence we are made aware of or search out. Which brings me back to the comment I made earlier, how many of us truly made a decision based on the evidence and how accurate or reliable was that evidence? The facts I'm using are true. The other facts are made up. Or as Trump apologists would say, there are alternative facts.🤣🤣 |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2018 21:05:50 GMT
Blimey.
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 1, 2018 21:06:01 GMT
I agree with you. But back to your contention that immigrants came here, or enough do to cause concern, to claim benefits. How is that reflected in the unemployment statistics? No idea. I'd rather use my own eyes and listen to the experiences of real people than concentrate on unemployment figures. What sort of numbers are we talking here and are you sure it is a genuinely representative sample? Otherwise it takes us back to our discussion over the comments section for online articles we had in 2016. Brexit would have been 80/20 if it was based on those. I work in the service sector and the rule is if you are unhappy you tell 9 people, if you are happy you tell 3. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:07:30 GMT
Yes I do have trust. I make that statement despite being on permanent medical treatment through eight weekly intravenous infusions and three other daily drugs so totally take this issue seriously and not use it as a political football. I have total belief that anything imported from outside your beloved EU will be of adequate standard. My sister in law is concerned (worried would be probably too strong at this stage). Not so much about quality, although controls need to be in place, but over supply and costs. She was a Type 1 diabetic for 40 years until a successful transplant, is a pharmacist and voted Leave. I'm sure some people are scared when they hear these type of things in the news. Unfounded scare stories like this being used by those desperate to latch on to anything supporting their pro EU agenda can be very damaging, particularly to vulnerable, sick people. Those spouting scare stories really need to be more careful. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:08:44 GMT
My views on the EU when it comes to your medical care are not relevant. What is relevant is the quality and cost of imported drugs or equipment. The fact remains that there is no reciprocal agreement on quality standards with China, there is also no trade agreement. As such the latter may or may not cause import tariffs. I have not checked if that would be the case or not. Either way, may I take this opportunity to wish you well. Whether we have a conservative or labour government in place in future I would trust either to ensure any imported pharmaceutical products to be of the highest quality. If you want to believe differently because that supports your pro EU standpoint or because you think the world is at is was 40+ years ago then I don't think anything will change your mind. Thanks for your best wishes by the way but I'm doing fine on my current meds wherever they are from and I'm totally confident that I will be the same post brexit - unless I'm hung, drawn and quartered for being a thick, racist leave voter! That's fine. Personally I prefer written, enforceable treaties rather than blind faith. Ask the haemophilliacs who contracted life threatening diseases when we imported blood products from "cheap" sources in the late 70s and 80s. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2018 21:10:20 GMT
My sister in law is concerned (worried would be probably too strong at this stage). Not so much about quality, although controls need to be in place, but over supply and costs. She was a Type 1 diabetic for 40 years until a successful transplant, is a pharmacist and voted Leave. I'm sure some people are scared when they hear these type of things in the news. Unfounded scare stories like this being used by those desperate to latch on to anything supporting their pro EU agenda can be very damaging, particularly to vulnerable, sick people. Those spouting scare stories really need to be more careful. Lucky then that leave didn't tell any lies or get up to any underhand dealing during the campaign. Phew. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 1, 2018 21:12:02 GMT
My sister in law is concerned (worried would be probably too strong at this stage). Not so much about quality, although controls need to be in place, but over supply and costs. She was a Type 1 diabetic for 40 years until a successful transplant, is a pharmacist and voted Leave. I'm sure some people are scared when they hear these type of things in the news. Unfounded scare stories like this being used by those desperate to latch on to anything supporting their pro EU agenda can be very damaging, particularly to vulnerable, sick people. Those spouting scare stories really need to be more careful. True, but scare stories apply to both sides of the argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:12:23 GMT
My sister in law is concerned (worried would be probably too strong at this stage). Not so much about quality, although controls need to be in place, but over supply and costs. She was a Type 1 diabetic for 40 years until a successful transplant, is a pharmacist and voted Leave. I'm sure some people are scared when they hear these type of things in the news. Unfounded scare stories like this being used by those desperate to latch on to anything supporting their pro EU agenda can be very damaging, particularly to vulnerable, sick people. Those spouting scare stories really need to be more careful. But they are not scare stories. It's a material fact. We import all of these insulin based products from the EU. How is that a scare story? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 1, 2018 21:13:56 GMT
Understand you may not believe the unemployment figures but that should apply to all government statistics and presumably you have the same view on the immigration figures. After all, they would be compiled in a similar methodology. We either take them all at face value allowing for some degree of variation and inaccuracy or we don't accept any. If it is the latter then we can only form an opinion based on our own experiences and the anecdotal evidence we are made aware of or search out. Which brings me back to the comment I made earlier, how many of us truly made a decision based on the evidence and how accurate or reliable was that evidence? The facts I'm using are true. The other facts are made up. My statistics are facts while your facts are merely statistics. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2018 21:15:03 GMT
I'm sure some people are scared when they hear these type of things in the news. Unfounded scare stories like this being used by those desperate to latch on to anything supporting their pro EU agenda can be very damaging, particularly to vulnerable, sick people. Those spouting scare stories really need to be more careful. True, but scare stories apply to both sides of the argument. That's true because I was going to vote leave to get rid of scumbags but then someone told me that scumbags don't come from the EU. I didn't know what to believe and ended up accidentally voting remain. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:15:23 GMT
It was a major theme but is suspect a lot of leavers voted to keep out Somalians and Syrians. Get your head round that. Are you really thick and stupid or just pretending? The importing of third world scum bags from Somalia Syria and the like has nothing to do with the EU or Brexit.Blairs government sought out Somalians and the like and imported them as future Labour voters.The British government can refuse entry of scroungers from third world nations but choose to accept them it is nothing to do with Brexit. You really have to be paranoid to believe that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:16:00 GMT
True, but scare stories apply to both sides of the argument. That's true because I was going to vote leave to get rid of scumbags but then someone told me that scumbags don't come from the EU. I didn't know what to believe and ended up accidentally voting remain. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:17:17 GMT
I'm sure some people are scared when they hear these type of things in the news. Unfounded scare stories like this being used by those desperate to latch on to anything supporting their pro EU agenda can be very damaging, particularly to vulnerable, sick people. Those spouting scare stories really need to be more careful. Lucky then that leave didn't tell any lies or get up to any underhand dealing during the campaign. Phew. Both sides exaggerated their case same as in any election campaign but does anything compare to telling the sick that once we leave their lives were at risk by either having no medication or having inferior quality? That to me is pretty sick and really ramping up project fear a notch or two. Not something I think we should make light of. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:20:17 GMT
Lucky then that leave didn't tell any lies or get up to any underhand dealing during the campaign. Phew. Both sides exaggerated their case same as in any election campaign but does anything compare to telling the sick that once we leave their lives were at risk by either having no medication or having inferior quality? That to me is pretty sick and really ramping up project fear a notch or two. Not something I think we should make light of. Agreed. So what would say to the families of haemophilliacs who died of HepC or other diseases as a result of imported blood products in to 70s and 80s. It was an over reaction? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 1, 2018 21:20:17 GMT
True, but scare stories apply to both sides of the argument. That's true because I was going to vote leave to get rid of scumbags but then someone told me that scumbags don't come from the EU. I didn't know what to believe and ended up accidentally voting remain. Scumbags are being imported into the EU as part of a Brussels conspiracy so they can get across to us and take our jobs and benefits, houses and women. Oh and Baggins. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 21:20:21 GMT
I'm sure some people are scared when they hear these type of things in the news. Unfounded scare stories like this being used by those desperate to latch on to anything supporting their pro EU agenda can be very damaging, particularly to vulnerable, sick people. Those spouting scare stories really need to be more careful. But they are not scare stories. It's a material fact. We import all of these insulin based products from the EU. How is that a scare story? Implying that anything from outside of the EU is likely to be of inferior quality based on something you referred to happened 40 odd years ago. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2018 21:20:57 GMT
Lucky then that leave didn't tell any lies or get up to any underhand dealing during the campaign. Phew. Both sides exaggerated their case same as in any election campaign but does anything compare to telling the sick that once we leave their lives were at risk by either having no medication or having inferior quality? That to me is pretty sick and really ramping up project fear a notch or two. Not something I think we should make light of. It's so much worse than painting a massive big bus with a gigantic misleading cash sum that sick people thought would be spent on their care I suppose. Oh, wait. No it isnt. There is no moral high ground to be taken here I'm afraid. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2018 21:22:58 GMT
That's true because I was going to vote leave to get rid of scumbags but then someone told me that scumbags don't come from the EU. I didn't know what to believe and ended up accidentally voting remain. Scumbags are being imported into the EU as part of a Brussels conspiracy so they can get across to us and take our jobs and benefits, houses and women. Oh and Baggins. I was talking to mates in the pub and we all agreed that the UK has enough of its own scumbags. |
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