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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:19:22 GMT
I am sure that is true. But then there is no contractual arrangement on standards. I am sure the haemophelliacs who were given non uk tainted blood transfusions in the 70s and 80s and as a consequence were infected with Hep C etc might, if they are still alive, make comment. As a free market supporter, I have to admit that in cases like health provision, it does not work. Are you saying that only Insulin produced in the EU is 'good insulin'? Sorry, but British Standards are currently exactly the same as the rest of the EU. If a US or Chinese company wish to sell their products in either the EU, or the UK, then the standards required are the same. Are you suggesting that these huge global pharmaceutical companies will not be able to meet the required standards? If so, then that is just pure nonsense and scare mongering the likes of which we haven't seen since....well.....the referendum ! I guess we have until the drop dead date to sort that out. If we crash out on March 19th then it will be for NICE to approve the new import sources. Let's hope they are on it. It usually takes ages to get their approval. If indeed it is down to them. You see the thing is, here we are in a perfectly stable and contractual arrangement with European suppliers, one where standards are part of a legal framework, where health care provision is of the highest standards, and we choose to place our fate in the hands of governments and suppliers like the Chinese? Why?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:24:07 GMT
I'm sure the legal people can tie any argument into knots......however.....This was posted through every letterbox in the country.  Perhaps. But only Parliament can do that, not a Government by Cabinet alone. Look at what had happened? The Government cannot do it, they lost their majority and cannot even agree a negotiating position. They promised something they could not deliver. It could not be anything else but ADVISERY as the High Court stated. We were misled. But that was Cameron and Osborne for you, cavalier or vacuous, take your pick. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:28:53 GMT
Because Nobby ( We have had this debate before) those words are straight out of the Friedrich Hayek playbook. He the Messiah of the Reagan / Thatcher Axis, whose disciples form the rump of J. Reese-Mogg anti EU brigade in the Tory members of Parliament. It's like an infection if you don't kill it completely, it comes back twice as bad. I hate to tell you this....but both Reagan and Thatcher are dead, and have been for quite some time. Hayek has been dead for a long time as well. I think times have moved on since then. But Nobby, political and economic philosophy is not born on a daily basis. It's a bit like religion, the fanatics adhere to the basic text, not allowing for current day interpretation. Just like Jacob Reese-Mogg. Looking at what his father wrote you can see the line. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:30:53 GMT
I'm sure the legal people can tie any argument into knots......however.....This was posted through every letterbox in the country. Perhaps. But only Parliament can do that, not a Government by Cabinet alone. Look at what had happened? The Government cannot do it, they lost their majority and cannot even agree a negotiating position. They promised something they could not deliver. It could not be anything else but ADVISERY as the High Court stated. We were misled. But that was Cameron and Osborne for you, cavalier or vacuous, take your pick. The decision (ie vote) to hold a Referendum was approved overwhelmingly by Parliament. "They promised something they could not deliver" - No different to every parties Manifesto in any general election. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:32:50 GMT
I hate to tell you this....but both Reagan and Thatcher are dead, and have been for quite some time. Hayek has been dead for a long time as well. I think times have moved on since then. But Nobby, political and economic philosophy is not born on a daily basis. It's a bit like religion, the fanatics adhere to the basic text, not allowing for current day interpretation. Just like Jacob Reese-Mogg. Looking at what his father wrote you can see the line. No, no, no and no again! You cannot hold anyone responsible for something their Father's said or believed. What utter nonsense Oldie ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 11:46:40 GMT
But Nobby, political and economic philosophy is not born on a daily basis. It's a bit like religion, the fanatics adhere to the basic text, not allowing for current day interpretation. Just like Jacob Reese-Mogg. Looking at what his father wrote you can see the line. No, no, no and no again! You cannot hold anyone responsible for something their Father's said or believed. What utter nonsense Oldie ! I am not blaming him for what his father said at all. That's a red herring. I am pointing out he holds exactly the same beliefs and core values |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 11:53:22 GMT
No, no, no and no again! You cannot hold anyone responsible for something their Father's said or believed. What utter nonsense Oldie ! I am not blaming him for what his father said at all. That's a red herring. I am pointing out he holds exactly the same beliefs and core values No, you are not 'pointing out' anything. It is just your personal opinion. Your original post just showed the name "Rees-Mogg" and many looking at that would just assume it was Jacob Rees-Mogg, and not his Father. Your post did not mention this, and therefore it was mis-leading! Yet you moan about fake news and being mis-led by the Leave Campaign ! You are just as guilty as anyone ! |
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jul 31, 2018 14:20:03 GMT
For diabetics amongst us, Type 1 specifically, there is no insulin produced in the UK. So we import from the EU. After March 19, as it stands, imports will be held up for customs checks. Good innit.
The UK does all the air traffic control for flights to & from North America, for the whole of Europe, with-out our say so, no one from Europe can go to or from North America
Swings & roundabouts for everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 14:56:58 GMT
I am not blaming him for what his father said at all. That's a red herring. I am pointing out he holds exactly the same beliefs and core values No, you are not 'pointing out' anything. It is just your personal opinion. Your original post just showed the name "Rees-Mogg" and many looking at that would just assume it was Jacob Rees-Mogg, and not his Father. Your post did not mention this, and therefore it was mis-leading! Yet you moan about fake news and being mis-led by the Leave Campaign ! You are just as guilty as anyone ! Ah. I made the mistake that people can read. It clearly says his father's name on the top of the page. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 14:59:44 GMT
For diabetics amongst us, Type 1 specifically, there is no insulin produced in the UK. So we import from the EU. After March 19, as it stands, imports will be held up for customs checks. Good innit.
The UK does all the air traffic control for flights to & from North America, for the whole of Europe, with-out our say so, no one from Europe can go to or from North America
Swings & roundabouts for everything.
I presume that to be true. But are not flight paths governed by an international agreement? Which is why we can fly over Russia etc. I don't think being in or out of the EU has any bearing on it. Happy to be proven wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 15:20:28 GMT
Yes I was right.
It's called the Open Skies Treaty.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 16:16:40 GMT
Just another Brexit scare story that is complete and utter tosh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 16:58:46 GMT
Just another Brexit scare story that is complete and utter tosh. Correct. The EU has nothing to do with it. Although I think it was raised as a contra to a pro EU viewpoint |
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Post by jaggas on Jul 31, 2018 18:21:54 GMT
Found this article by Trevor Kavanagh on twitter earlier and he sums it up perfectly..
IT is truly shocking to watch our two major political parties disintegrating before our eyes.
The Tories are tearing themselves apart over an irreversible democratic vote to leave the European Union. Party members are in open revolt and Ukip are circling like sharks.
We're on brink of political anarchy — we need a clean Brexit to stop EU vultures
Labour, meanwhile, has been dragged into a vicious civil war by a racist rabble bent on purging the party of all the people, like Frank Field, who make it worth voting for.
Yet as things stand, it is Jeremy Corbyn’s Marxists who would storm to victory in a general election, bringing with them economic chaos, instability and, as night follows day, mass unemployment.
What did we do to deserve this, Theresa May?
How does this great nation find itself on the brink of political anarchy, paralysis and a Channel blockade on food and medicine?
The answer is appalling leadership, dithering diplomacy . . . and a quite incredible failure to speak to the people.
So, a round of applause for EU bully-boy Michel Barnier and unelected Brussels puppet master Martin Selmayr for opening our eyes in time.
Without their breathtaking arrogance, Britain might have sleep-walked into a humiliating deal which left us half-in, half-out — and paying through the nose for the privilege.
Now everyone, including our EU allies, can see Barnier has gone too far by rudely rubbishing Mrs May’s pleas for peace in our time and insisting we still cough up a £39billion ransom.
Italian deputy PM Matteo Salvini spoke more clearly for Britain than Mrs May herself when he urged her to stand up to Brussels or walk away.
“My experience in the European parliament tells me you either impose yourself or they swindle you,” says Salvini.
His sentiments are echoed by other EU leaders bruised by the Brussels jackboot.
Privately, many would like to see Barnier and Selmayr given a poke on the nose.
All the more disappointing that Ireland, one of those victims, cosies up to Barnier against the country that bailed them out after the 2008 crash.
Donald Trump showed how it’s done, with sozzled EU chief Jean-Claude Juncker lurching to Washington on hands and knees for a deal on tariffs.
Yet Britain does more trade than America with the EU.
While Mrs May dithers, Chancellor Phil Hammond deserves a special place somewhere for leaving us dangerously in the lurch.
Thanks to him we are running out of time with virtually nothing in place to soften a crash landing.
The mood in Britain has hardened dramatically against Brussels since the “turd- polishing” Chequers summit.
Ministers, MPs and even Mrs May’s own local party fear she has already surrendered too much.
It is now too late for the traditional EU stitch-up, with Brussels giving an inch and taking a mile. Forget about a second referendum.
Leave campaign mastermind Dominic Cummings is right to warn Brexit would win an even bigger majority in the current atmosphere of rank betrayal.
Remainers bleat about Brexit dividing the nation for generations to come. In fact, the wounds can ONLY be healed by a successful, clean-cut Brexit.
We will NOT sink back into the Dark Ages, cut off from the world, adrift in the North Sea with no friends.
More important, a successful Brexit is the ONLY way the Tories will beat off the threat from Labour and Ukip.Under a bolder, more dynamic leader — sooner rather than later — Britain will re-establish itself as a flourishing, tax-competitive trading nation.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jul 31, 2018 18:25:09 GMT
Just before we exchange contracts we have discovered the house is made of paper and build on a foundation of sand. Do you still want the house?
You may want a house but there's no shame in saying that you don't want that one. Pride comes before the fall.
The good news is, the house you are selling is made from st.georges flags and built on a foundation of minories so your buyer jaggs is unlikely to pull out.
Just a little ditty jaggs hope you can see the funny side.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 31, 2018 20:17:53 GMT
Found this article by Trevor Kavanagh on twitter earlier and he sums it up perfectly.. IT is truly shocking to watch our two major political parties disintegrating before our eyes. The Tories are tearing themselves apart over an irreversible democratic vote to leave the European Union. Party members are in open revolt and Ukip are circling like sharks. We're on brink of political anarchy — we need a clean Brexit to stop EU vultures Labour, meanwhile, has been dragged into a vicious civil war by a racist rabble bent on purging the party of all the people, like Frank Field, who make it worth voting for. Yet as things stand, it is Jeremy Corbyn’s Marxists who would storm to victory in a general election, bringing with them economic chaos, instability and, as night follows day, mass unemployment. What did we do to deserve this, Theresa May? How does this great nation find itself on the brink of political anarchy, paralysis and a Channel blockade on food and medicine? The answer is appalling leadership, dithering diplomacy . . . and a quite incredible failure to speak to the people. So, a round of applause for EU bully-boy Michel Barnier and unelected Brussels puppet master Martin Selmayr for opening our eyes in time. Without their breathtaking arrogance, Britain might have sleep-walked into a humiliating deal which left us half-in, half-out — and paying through the nose for the privilege. Now everyone, including our EU allies, can see Barnier has gone too far by rudely rubbishing Mrs May’s pleas for peace in our time and insisting we still cough up a £39billion ransom. Italian deputy PM Matteo Salvini spoke more clearly for Britain than Mrs May herself when he urged her to stand up to Brussels or walk away. “My experience in the European parliament tells me you either impose yourself or they swindle you,” says Salvini. His sentiments are echoed by other EU leaders bruised by the Brussels jackboot. Privately, many would like to see Barnier and Selmayr given a poke on the nose. All the more disappointing that Ireland, one of those victims, cosies up to Barnier against the country that bailed them out after the 2008 crash. Donald Trump showed how it’s done, with sozzled EU chief Jean-Claude Juncker lurching to Washington on hands and knees for a deal on tariffs. Yet Britain does more trade than America with the EU. While Mrs May dithers, Chancellor Phil Hammond deserves a special place somewhere for leaving us dangerously in the lurch. Thanks to him we are running out of time with virtually nothing in place to soften a crash landing. The mood in Britain has hardened dramatically against Brussels since the “turd- polishing” Chequers summit. Ministers, MPs and even Mrs May’s own local party fear she has already surrendered too much. It is now too late for the traditional EU stitch-up, with Brussels giving an inch and taking a mile. Forget about a second referendum. Leave campaign mastermind Dominic Cummings is right to warn Brexit would win an even bigger majority in the current atmosphere of rank betrayal. Remainers bleat about Brexit dividing the nation for generations to come. In fact, the wounds can ONLY be healed by a successful, clean-cut Brexit. We will NOT sink back into the Dark Ages, cut off from the world, adrift in the North Sea with no friends. More important, a successful Brexit is the ONLY way the Tories will beat off the threat from Labour and Ukip.Under a bolder, more dynamic leader — sooner rather than later — Britain will re-establish itself as a flourishing, tax-competitive trading nation. I don't disagree with a lot of that now we are in this situation. The Tories are killing themselves and Labour are being overrun by bonkers far lefties who don't know the actual meaning of being a Liberal. Politics in this country is down the pan. Perfect for an extremist group to take power. I'm not stirring sh**, but the mad frenzy and divisive hatred is not dissimilar to 30s Germany. I'm not suggesting things will get that bad, but the far right (UKIP/Britain First etc) and the far Left (Corbynistas and SJWs) must be rubbing their hands with glee as any normal voter (both Red and Blue) look on in despair. |
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Post by jaggas on Jul 31, 2018 22:28:02 GMT
Bit over dramatic there Hugo.Britain first are a bit of a loony right fringe group with no real influence and will never be taken seriously or considered a threat.
UKIP are a million miles away from being far right their last two manifestos didn't contain a single far right policy,they are also miles away from winning a single parliamentary seat.
Strong sensible leadership is missing from both the main parties one is a weak ditherer while the other leads a nasty party full of marxists anti Semites and blatant racists.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2018 5:04:44 GMT
Yeah, a bit over dramatic I know but the point still stands that unless the big 2 get their houses in order they are in danger of leaving a void that can and will be filled with more extreme politicians.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 7:22:49 GMT
Yeah, a bit over dramatic I know but the point still stands that unless the big 2 get their houses in order they are in danger of leaving a void that can and will be filled with more extreme politicians. I think we've actually gone past the point of no return. I think we are seeing the end of the two-party system in the UK. Let's be honest, Labour are un-electable. Whoever thought that they would turn into a racist, anti-semitic party. They have really taken over the title of the 'nasty party'. The Tories are just not listening, and May's performance over Brexit is an insult to the Democratic process. People have had enough of the lies from both of the main parties. Hugo is right, that in times like these it is usually the extremists who benefit. However, there are many rumours of a 'new party' being formed in the background. They are hoping to attract those moderate Labour MP's, and the more sensible Tories. There are many many people in the UK, when looking at the options available to them to vote for, are openly saying/thinking, "there isn't a party that deserves my vote"! |
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