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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 20, 2018 13:09:19 GMT
12-13=-1 Even worse  Hugo is Dianne Abbott and I claim my five pounds ! I have more than 5lbs to spare  |
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Post by singupgas on Mar 20, 2018 14:10:27 GMT
The Coliseum Summit starts tomorrow, hopefully the club cover it as Wael is due to speak. Would be interesting to hear what the man has to say.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 20, 2018 14:14:17 GMT
So Brentford started to break ground today on a 17,500 seat stadium...... It only took them 15 Years to get to this point... And people on here slate our owners for failing to build one for us in 2 years Time to get real people ! Bristol Rovers told me they were going to build new stadium in 1974. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 16:13:17 GMT
Brentford's owner bought his majority shareholding 5 years and 9 months ago meaning that to match Brentford the Al Qadis have 3 years and 8 months to break ground on a new stadium for us. And their plans were announced a tad under 2 years of said ownership... It took them a further 3 1/2 years to make a compulsory purchase of some land, submit planning, get it approved, appoint contractors and finally to break ground. So it’s not even built yet. Which is why I have stated many times that time to identify the site (if it’s not the Mem) and crack on with plans is off the essence because at the current rate we will still be playing in a ramshackle of a stadium in 2223. It could be said that the Al Qadis were dealing with someone elses flawed stadium for the first part of their ownership. So it is only from when the UWE stadium project was scrapped that the new time frame for a stadium began. So since August ? Were Brentfords owners also planning and purchasing and building a training ground at the same time though ?
A stadium should be at least in the construction stage by 2023. With a finished (first phase) training complex also.
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Post by toddy1953 on Mar 20, 2018 17:30:35 GMT
And their plans were announced a tad under 2 years of said ownership... It took them a further 3 1/2 years to make a compulsory purchase of some land, submit planning, get it approved, appoint contractors and finally to break ground. So it’s not even built yet. Which is why I have stated many times that time to identify the site (if it’s not the Mem) and crack on with plans is off the essence because at the current rate we will still be playing in a ramshackle of a stadium in 2223. It could be said that the Al Qadis were dealing with someone elses flawed stadium for the first part of their ownership. So it is only from when the UWE stadium project was scrapped that the new time frame for a stadium began. So since August ? Were Brentfords owners also planning and purchasing and building a training ground at the same time though ?
A stadium should be at least in the construction stage by 2023. With a finished (first phase) training complex also.
I don't think the stadium was flawed, I think the designs that we were shown & the location were fantastic. However, it appears to me that the Al Qadi's could not get the return for the investors & subsequently the deal wouldn't have been any good long term for the club - apparently. I say apparently because no one knows, outside UWE & the Owners. The deal both old & new boards would have wanted would have been different as the old board were going to get £30m upfront for the Mem. So whether or not there was a written contract in place, that would have to be renegotiated with the new owners. It's anyone's guess as to whether the old board could have delivered even with Sainsbury's money. SH said, very early into his tenure, that to make the stadium work there needed to be compromise from both sides, this tells me that the new owners had done their homework beforehand & knew challenges ahead & in the end it seems we wanted something that UWE weren't prepared to give us. Why it took 18 months, if the UWE were dicking us about from the start, I just don't know - like everyone else on here. Higgs made lots of errors during his time, but I don't think he can be faulted on his efforts to get us playing in a better stadium IMO |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 20, 2018 17:45:34 GMT
And their plans were announced a tad under 2 years of said ownership... It took them a further 3 1/2 years to make a compulsory purchase of some land, submit planning, get it approved, appoint contractors and finally to break ground. So it’s not even built yet. Which is why I have stated many times that time to identify the site (if it’s not the Mem) and crack on with plans is off the essence because at the current rate we will still be playing in a ramshackle of a stadium in 2223. It could be said that the Al Qadis were dealing with someone elses flawed stadium for the first part of their ownership. So it is only from when the UWE stadium project was scrapped that the new time frame for a stadium began. So since August ? Were Brentfords owners also planning and purchasing and building a training ground at the same time though ?
A stadium should be at least in the construction stage by 2023. With a finished (first phase) training complex also.
The ALQs changed the original plans for the UWE by putting a hotel and conference venue on the site, hence the then extra feasibility studies and resubmission of some plans etc. So it wasn’t mess, the original plans were changed. Then they pulled out. The training facility isn’t our number one priority either. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 20, 2018 18:22:44 GMT
It could be said that the Al Qadis were dealing with someone elses flawed stadium for the first part of their ownership. So it is only from when the UWE stadium project was scrapped that the new time frame for a stadium began. So since August ? Were Brentfords owners also planning and purchasing and building a training ground at the same time though ?
A stadium should be at least in the construction stage by 2023. With a finished (first phase) training complex also.
The ALQs changed the original plans for the UWE by putting a hotel and conference venue on the site, hence the then extra feasibility studies and resubmission of some plans etc. So it wasn’t mess, the original plans were changed. Then they pulled out. The training facility isn’t our number one priority either. No plans were ever re-submitted to S Glos planners, not officially anyway, so why make things up? |
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Post by aghast on Mar 20, 2018 18:28:33 GMT
It could be said that the Al Qadis were dealing with someone elses flawed stadium for the first part of their ownership. So it is only from when the UWE stadium project was scrapped that the new time frame for a stadium began. So since August ? Were Brentfords owners also planning and purchasing and building a training ground at the same time though ?
A stadium should be at least in the construction stage by 2023. With a finished (first phase) training complex also.
The ALQs changed the original plans for the UWE by putting a hotel and conference venue on the site, hence the then extra feasibility studies and resubmission of some plans etc. So it wasn’t mess, the original plans were changed. Then they pulled out. The training facility isn’t our number one priority either. I agree about the new training facility. A lot of attention has been focussed on that, by the owners but also others. It's an important part of the plan, but to me it comes a definite third behind investing in a new or rebuilt stadium, and providing DC with the budget to develop a squad ready for the next level. You can have the fittest, healthiest squad in the world, but if they're basically L2 or average L1 players with a bit of DC magic dusted over them, and they play in a stadium which loses money every time they play there, then I think the priorities are wrong. Of course, they might be about to announce momentous news about the stadium any day now, so perhaps all will be well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 18:32:57 GMT
It could be said that the Al Qadis were dealing with someone elses flawed stadium for the first part of their ownership. So it is only from when the UWE stadium project was scrapped that the new time frame for a stadium began. So since August ? Were Brentfords owners also planning and purchasing and building a training ground at the same time though ?
A stadium should be at least in the construction stage by 2023. With a finished (first phase) training complex also.
I don't think the stadium was flawed, I think the designs that we were shown & the location were fantastic. However, it appears to me that the Al Qadi's could not get the return for the investors & subsequently the deal wouldn't have been any good long term for the club - apparently. I say apparently because no one knows, outside UWE & the Owners. The deal both old & new boards would have wanted would have been different as the old board were going to get £30m upfront for the Mem. So whether or not there was a written contract in place, that would have to be renegotiated with the new owners. It's anyone's guess as to whether the old board could have delivered even with Sainsbury's money. SH said, very early into his tenure, that to make the stadium work there needed to be compromise from both sides, this tells me that the new owners had done their homework beforehand & knew challenges ahead & in the end it seems we wanted something that UWE weren't prepared to give us. Why it took 18 months, if the UWE were dicking us about from the start, I just don't know - like everyone else on here. Higgs made lots of errors during his time, but I don't think he can be faulted on his efforts to get us playing in a better stadium IMO Yes Higgs tried his best but it wasn’t good enough I think he come closest so far. |
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Post by knowall on Mar 20, 2018 20:49:30 GMT
It could be said that the Al Qadis were dealing with someone elses flawed stadium for the first part of their ownership. So it is only from when the UWE stadium project was scrapped that the new time frame for a stadium began. So since August ? Were Brentfords owners also planning and purchasing and building a training ground at the same time though ?
A stadium should be at least in the construction stage by 2023. With a finished (first phase) training complex also.
The ALQs changed the original plans for the UWE by putting a hotel and conference venue on the site, hence the then extra feasibility studies and resubmission of some plans etc. So it wasn’t mess, the original plans were changed. Then they pulled out. The training facility isn’t our number one priority either. And there was a £30,000,000 hole in the finances when Shamesburys got the better of the old board so of course there had to be a new feasibility study because then the figures didn't add up. A hotel and conference centre might have made the sums add up but UWE needed to agree to that. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 21, 2018 7:29:37 GMT
It could be said that the Al Qadis were dealing with someone elses flawed stadium for the first part of their ownership. So it is only from when the UWE stadium project was scrapped that the new time frame for a stadium began. So since August ? Were Brentfords owners also planning and purchasing and building a training ground at the same time though ?
A stadium should be at least in the construction stage by 2023. With a finished (first phase) training complex also.
The ALQs changed the original plans for the UWE by putting a hotel and conference venue on the site, hence the then extra feasibility studies and resubmission of some plans etc. So it wasn’t mess, the original plans were changed. Then they pulled out. The training facility isn’t our number one priority either. Your forgetting the bit that the build cost of the original stadium plans had gone up from £40m to £65m... That's why Wael said even if they had an agreement with UWE they would have to resubmit the plans because the old Stadium design was not fit for purpose |
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Post by albaron on Mar 21, 2018 8:38:37 GMT
I think we should forget what's gone on in the past. It seems now we have only two choices.
1. Knock the bloody Mem down and start again
2. Look for a new site.
End of.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 21, 2018 9:04:02 GMT
The ALQs changed the original plans for the UWE by putting a hotel and conference venue on the site, hence the then extra feasibility studies and resubmission of some plans etc. So it wasn’t mess, the original plans were changed. Then they pulled out. The training facility isn’t our number one priority either. Your forgetting the bit that the build cost of the original stadium plans had gone up from £40m to £65m... That's why Wael said even if they had an agreement with UWE they would have to resubmit the plans because the old Stadium design was not fit for purpose The one thing about the training ground I was disappointed in was that they did not have plans ready to go or near ready once we had the green light to proceed with the purchase. With what Wael has said about resubmitting plans with the UWE, I am wondering if they have a better idea of what they want/need and even outline or hopefully more detailed plans are drafted. Would be nice. |
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Post by singupgas on Mar 21, 2018 9:12:09 GMT
I think we should forget what's gone on in the past. It seems now we have only two choices. 1. Knock the bloody Mem down and start again 2. Look for a new site. End of. I am with you, a few seats added here and there is not a big step forward for me. The old saying, you cant polish a turd. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 9:58:04 GMT
I think we should forget what's gone on in the past. It seems now we have only two choices. 1. Knock the bloody Mem down and start again 2. Look for a new site. End of. Those may be the two choices you want, but there is a third option.....just tart-up the Mem a little. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 21, 2018 10:15:40 GMT
I think we should forget what's gone on in the past. It seems now we have only two choices. 1. Knock the bloody Mem down and start again 2. Look for a new site. End of. Those may be the two choices you want, but there is a third option.....just tart-up the Mem a little. You talking about Tarts again Nobby..... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 10:18:28 GMT
Those may be the two choices you want, but there is a third option.....just tart-up the Mem a little. You talking about Tarts again Nobby..... To be fair, we've all got more chance of a bit of fun with a tart than seeing a new stadium built. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 21, 2018 12:45:10 GMT
I think we should forget what's gone on in the past. It seems now we have only two choices. 1. Knock the bloody Mem down and start again 2. Look for a new site. End of. I am with you, a few seats added here and there is not a big step forward for me. The old saying, you cant polish a turd. Had some great times at our turd. |
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Post by yatetown85 on Mar 21, 2018 13:39:20 GMT
I can't be bothered to read all of this.
I've heard they were going to put a cover over the home section next to the North Stand, but that's it...However, I thought they couldn't do that due to obstructing the view of the Dri Build, can anyone confirm that?
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Post by pirate49 on Mar 21, 2018 13:46:59 GMT
One angle on this is that the installation of the 'electrics' and the production
of the cards won't come cheap. If they utilize the existing turnstiles that possibly
tells us a little about any ideas (I'll avoid the word 'plans')they may have about
the development, or not, of certain parts of the ground.
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