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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:12:57 GMT
Has uwe been cancelled or something? <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_97162410" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 896px; top: -106px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_16144773" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -13px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_45929631" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.120000000000005" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 19.12px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 896px; top: -13px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_77182738" scrolling="no"></iframe> No, he was sacked. |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Mar 28, 2018 14:29:30 GMT
Fed up with the total lack of any news month after month about the new stadium so went to Steve Hamer direct. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:55:37 GMT
I suspect that in ten years time many will be looking back and feeling ashamed at their lack of belief . The club will be a different place to what it was five years ago.
The owners after all could have EASILY come into the club and stated that BRFC was on the verge of admin that they have stabilised the club. That due to the Sainsburys
deal falling through and the court case losses that the money was not there to build a new stadium.
That they would try to balance the books and keep BRFC in business and that hopefully they would be able at some point to improve the Memorial stadium.
That would have been easy.
They could have lumped all the blame on the previous boards done a huge cost cutting exercise (to save the club) by getting rid of all youth teams ,reduced the squad by half and relied on loan players.Begged the fans for volunteer labour to keep the club going. Then limped on for years and years.
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Post by poorblue on Mar 28, 2018 15:06:19 GMT
Short of cash? I don't think so. Try UWE wanting amemdment after amendment until WAQ just got fed up with them. Wishy washy excuse? Regarding new plans? Pfft. That argument doesn't hold water though Bags. The UWE wanted the stadium built as well. In fact, they were the ones who originally approached NH about building one. There is no logical reason why they would continue to delay it after so many years ! here is my take on things. UWE started as a three way partnership. UWE Rovers and Sainsbury. Sainsbury started the decline by pulling out. That had an effect on finances as a supermarket on the mem was the best financial deal possible. Other developments like housing would return far less money. Thus perhaps why Higgs pursued Sainsbury for all it was worth. Having lost that battle maybe Rovers under Higgs would struggle to raise the difference in required capital. The threesome thus became a pair. The pair then became a different pair when Rovers sold to the Al Qadi family. Different pair different vision but presumably same ambition. Accepting confidentiality both sides have given little away, but both parties stated publicly it was very nearly a done deal. so what went wrong? As far as I'm aware UWE's only statement was they were surprised Rovers ended it. UWE have never responded to Rovers statement that they kept changing agreed items and failed to sign by a given deadline the Heads of Contract terms which were on the table ready to be signed by Rovers. On the other side of the coin no "confirmed changes" by Rovers from the original design concept have been published. Rovers publicly stated several thing such as a feasibility study had been carried out but never published, even if the deal was signed it needed to go back to planning thus Rovers presumably changed their minds as well either prior to, after or both prior to the feasibility study. If you accept the above as fact it would appear that lack of trust by one or the other party may lay at the root cause of the failure to proceed. Wael stated as he took over finance with or without Sainsbury was not an issue, I think his eyes were wide open on Sainsbury not happening. Perhaps the finance issue is more to do with the feasibility study and how it interacts with the UWE share of income generated by the stadium is the main cause for UWE demise. |
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Post by gas2 on Mar 28, 2018 17:40:28 GMT
Bristol council do not own the colston hall anymore its owned by seperate company
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Post by dickiedamsell on Mar 28, 2018 17:48:55 GMT
we aint getting a new stadium so forget it or carry on dreaming, but please keep your dreams to yourself.
UTG
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Post by lpgas on Mar 28, 2018 17:55:25 GMT
I'll believe it when I'm in the new stadium,and I'm leading the first pitch invasion. Supported by your zimmer frame  |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 28, 2018 18:00:52 GMT
I suspect that in ten years time many will be looking back and feeling ashamed at their lack of belief . The club will be a different place to what it was five years ago. The owners after all could have EASILY come into the club and stated that BRFC was on the verge of admin that they have stabilised the club. That due to the Sainsburys deal falling through and the court case losses that the money was not there to build a new stadium. That they would try to balance the books and keep BRFC in business and that hopefully they would be able at some point to improve the Memorial stadium. That would have been easy. They could have lumped all the blame on the previous boards done a huge cost cutting exercise (to save the club) by getting rid of all youth teams ,reduced the squad by half and relied on loan players.Begged the fans for volunteer labour to keep the club going. Then limped on for years and years. Then again we could look back and say we were gullible thinking the ALQ's ever intended building a new stadium! Personally I do wonder where the finance will come from to build what is required, as it goes completely against the evolution phase Wael continually uses, if we wait until we can actually afford to build it we could be in for a very long wait. |
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Post by garystash on Mar 28, 2018 18:32:31 GMT
People keep bringing the feasibility study up, saying it said all was good etc etc.
Wael told us the UWE kept revisiting the "very important commercial issues".
Surely if terms were renogotiated AFTER the feasibility study was done, the results of the study are rendered invalid.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 28, 2018 19:03:09 GMT
Walking away from the biggest opportunity of having a respectable stadium, what they are going to do, what they are doing? where, who and when? From memory, over past 2 years, we've been told: the club need a new stadium uwe is the only option, rebuilding the mem is not viable option the uwe deal wasn't right? (why?) we are looking at other sites we will redevelop the mem.... Try make sense of it all, screams lack of direction to me. Just communicate what is happening. its getting embarrassing. The colony may well be needed, but is a distraction. The training facilities cant be that bad, otherwise we wouldn't keep on overachieving. Our ground is shocking and no doubt puts players off and we will continue to miss out on generation of fans whist in it. Just to let you know i have a very large deep hole in the middle of my shop due to waste pipe failure. its important to know these things It would appear that those who have in the past accused you of being full of sh@t may have had a point! |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 28, 2018 19:51:09 GMT
we aint getting a new stadium so forget it or carry on dreaming, but please keep your dreams to yourself. UTG We are getting a new stadium so we can carry on dreaming so please keep your negativity to yourself. UTG. |
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Post by gasforeverman on Mar 28, 2018 20:07:17 GMT
Same story different participents...
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Post by aghast on Mar 28, 2018 21:52:57 GMT
People keep bringing the feasibility study up, saying it said all was good etc etc. Wael told us the UWE kept revisiting the "very important commercial issues". Surely if terms were renogotiated AFTER the feasibility study was done, the results of the study are rendered invalid. That's the key point, I think. There's no way the owners would have paid for a feasibility study if based purely on a rose-tinted view of the club maximising its revenue in every area possible. It's easy to see how that would have been approved, but it would have been pointless and a waste of money, since it would not have reflected the actual "agreement" that UWE and the club had at that time. So the feasibility report must surely have been based on what had been agreed at the time it was commissioned. And those negotiations would have reached the stage where it was looking financially viable. There must have been a deal on the table acceptable to both sides at some point, otherwise there would never have been a feasibility study. Then something happened to make the feasible become non-feasible. I prefer not to think Wael is lying, so therefore UWE must have come back with some new less generous proposals at a very late stage. From UWE's point of view, they were just continuing to negotiate the best deal for themselves. From Wael's point of view, the club had just spent a large sum of money on employing accountants/auditors/business consultants to evaluate the deal on the table, and then the deal was swiped away by their would-be partner. So what do the club do? Carry on negotiating and having another feasibility study, at great cost to the club? I'm assuming that the owners then went back to UWE to say this was not acceptable behaviour, and they need to set out their final position. Hence the deadline that Wael referred to in the past. UWE tried continue negotiations and to call our bluff, since they knew, or thought they knew, how much we wanted the stadium, but the Al-Qadis weren't having any of it. So they pulled the plug on the whole thing, rather than wasting hundreds of thousands of pounds on trying to finalise a deal which would never have been agreed unless it was to UWE's liking. That's my view. I'm exhausted now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 22:08:23 GMT
we aint getting a new stadium so forget it or carry on dreaming, but please keep your dreams to yourself. UTG Love the username. X |
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Post by LJG on Mar 28, 2018 22:55:30 GMT
People keep bringing the feasibility study up, saying it said all was good etc etc. Wael told us the UWE kept revisiting the "very important commercial issues". Surely if terms were renogotiated AFTER the feasibility study was done, the results of the study are rendered invalid. Well quite. I think there is generally a lack of understanding of what a feasibility study even is on this forum. Goodness this place is ceaselessly repetitious. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 28, 2018 23:12:37 GMT
People keep bringing the feasibility study up, saying it said all was good etc etc. Wael told us the UWE kept revisiting the "very important commercial issues". Surely if terms were renogotiated AFTER the feasibility study was done, the results of the study are rendered invalid. Well quite. I think there is generally a lack of understanding of what a feasibility study even is on this forum. Goodness this place is ceaselessly repetitious. You can say that again. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Mar 28, 2018 23:23:05 GMT
You can say that again.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 28, 2018 23:29:51 GMT
People keep bringing the feasibility study up, saying it said all was good etc etc. Wael told us the UWE kept revisiting the "very important commercial issues". Surely if terms were renogotiated AFTER the feasibility study was done, the results of the study are rendered invalid. Well quite. I think there is generally a lack of understanding of what a feasibility study even is on this forum. Goodness this place is ceaselessly repetitious. I agree, it seems that the same questions come up and are then explained, then repeat ad infinitum. I'm getting to the point where I want a stadium plan not because of the stadium itself but to put an end to the questions. Mind you, it would make the forum quieter. |
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Post by gas2 on Mar 29, 2018 7:40:37 GMT
My take on u w e is they could screw higgs and co for what they wanted out of ro ers but along came the family who are well used to amateurs and they seen right through the university and could see they were trying to get more from us as the family had much more financial clot that's when al wael pulled the plug on the stadium
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2018 7:49:21 GMT
My take on u w e is they could screw higgs and co for what they wanted out of ro ers but along came the family who are well used to amateurs and t hey seen right through the university and could see they were trying to get more from us as the family had much more financial clot that's when al wael pulled the plug on the stadium It still took them 18 months and an hell of a lot of fees to find that out if that was the case! |
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