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Post by Gasshole on Jun 18, 2018 7:28:15 GMT
I wouldn’t call Hamer an improvement..in any shape or form. And we will be paying at least a 100k a year for that privilege. But it isn’t sustainable is it..at least not at the Mem. As our outgoings are larger than our income, by a few million a year and we cannot generate the income to cover that loss at the Mem. At our current run rate our losses will outstrip our asset value in the next 3 years. Hani doesn’t like football, but is the source of feed for our club, I worry what happens when he loses total interest and will not underwrite the existing debt and the next years few million loss. It’s not about liking or not liking someone, it’s about the reality that our club finds itself in with the way our current owners run it. Anyway, back to the subject matter in hand, last Thursday I was told by a club employee that The improvements at the Mem including the temp stands are here for 2 years, why only 2 years, I asked? because in 2 years we may not be at the Mem was the answer. When I pressed, does that mean the UWE or another site, possibly both was the answer. In the meantime The club shop improvement is being paid for by Macron, which is why they are doing that. The bar is being revamped as it’s part of the insurance claim from the flooding that happened last year. and how do we know this ? If he doesn’t, he soon will. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 18, 2018 7:28:52 GMT
Or if you put it another way, they are willing to spend more than before, we have an improved and enlarged board with experience, and even an office in London. There are other good things which is mostly down to DC with the AQ supporting him with finances. All this most be sustainable in time and whilst Wael doesn't have total control, Hani has supported him two years running. Interesting use of words, I take it you are not a fan of Hani. Hani is L2 standard at best and should probably drop down to the National League to kick-start his career. Oh, sorry. Wrong thread. He has done a job for us and remains a useful squad member, but we need to look for better if we are looking to move on upwards now. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 18, 2018 7:43:58 GMT
Or if you put it another way, they are willing to spend more than before, we have an improved and enlarged board with experience, and even an office in London. There are other good things which is mostly down to DC with the AQ supporting him with finances. All this most be sustainable in time and whilst Wael doesn't have total control, Hani has supported him two years running. Interesting use of words, I take it you are not a fan of Hani. I wouldn’t call Hamer an improvement..in any shape or form. And we will be paying at least a 100k a year for that privilege. But it isn’t sustainable is it..at least not at the Mem. As our outgoings are larger than our income, by a few million a year and we cannot generate the income to cover that loss at the Mem. At our current run rate our losses will outstrip our asset value in the next 3 years. Hani doesn’t like football, but is the source of feed for our club, I worry what happens when he loses total interest and will not underwrite the existing debt and the next years few million loss. It’s not about liking or not liking someone, it’s about the reality that our club finds itself in with the way our current owners run it. Anyway, back to the subject matter in hand, last Thursday I was told by a club employee that The improvements at the Mem including the temp stands are here for 2 years, why only 2 years, I asked? because in 2 years we may not be at the Mem was the answer. When I pressed, does that mean the UWE or another site, possibly both was the answer. In the meantime The club shop improvement is being paid for by Macron, which is why they are doing that. The bar is being revamped as it’s part of the insurance claim from the flooding that happened last year. Funnily enough I wasn't meaning SH, I was referring to the newer recruits. Overall I actually agree with your points, I was pointing out the interpretation of events can vary depending on a particular point of view. Your comments about the 2 year period are very interesting, which is roughly the timescale I had in mind were I to take a very optimistic slant. As a new build would be about 18 months it doesn't leave much time. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 18, 2018 7:55:13 GMT
I wouldn’t call Hamer an improvement..in any shape or form. And we will be paying at least a 100k a year for that privilege. But it isn’t sustainable is it..at least not at the Mem. As our outgoings are larger than our income, by a few million a year and we cannot generate the income to cover that loss at the Mem. At our current run rate our losses will outstrip our asset value in the next 3 years. Hani doesn’t like football, but is the source of feed for our club, I worry what happens when he loses total interest and will not underwrite the existing debt and the next years few million loss. It’s not about liking or not liking someone, it’s about the reality that our club finds itself in with the way our current owners run it. Anyway, back to the subject matter in hand, last Thursday I was told by a club employee that The improvements at the Mem including the temp stands are here for 2 years, why only 2 years, I asked? because in 2 years we may not be at the Mem was the answer. When I pressed, does that mean the UWE or another site, possibly both was the answer. In the meantime The club shop improvement is being paid for by Macron, which is why they are doing that. The bar is being revamped as it’s part of the insurance claim from the flooding that happened last year. Funnily enough I wasn't meaning SH, I was referring to the newer recruits. Overall I actually agree with your points, I was pointing out the interpretation of events can vary depending on a particular point of view. Your comments about the 2 year period are very interesting, which is roughly the timescale I had in mind were I to take a very optimistic slant. As a new build would be about 18 months it doesn't leave much time. The new stands have been sorted quick enough. So I expect extending the length of time by a year or two, if we needed to, wouldn't be a problem. I can't see a new ground being ready in 2 years now. Even if it's Uwe, don't we have to reapply for planning permission?? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 18, 2018 7:57:17 GMT
Funnily enough I wasn't meaning SH, I was referring to the newer recruits. Overall I actually agree with your points, I was pointing out the interpretation of events can vary depending on a particular point of view. Your comments about the 2 year period are very interesting, which is roughly the timescale I had in mind were I to take a very optimistic slant. As a new build would be about 18 months it doesn't leave much time. The new stands have been sorted quick enough. So I expect extending the length of time by a year or two, if we needed to, wouldn't be a problem. I can't see a new ground being ready in 2 years now. Even if it's Uwe, don't we have to reapply for planning permission?? That would depend on whether UWE let the planning lapse. I'm led to believe it hasn't but have not been able to corroborate that so unfortunately take it with a pinch of salt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 7:58:59 GMT
Heh, heh, heh, all this talk of a new stadium in two years, yet we've had a field in South Glos for sixteen months and nothing has happened there at all !
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Post by singupgas on Jun 18, 2018 8:10:37 GMT
Heh, heh, heh, all this talk of a new stadium in two years, yet we've had a field in South Glos for sixteen months and nothing has happened there at all ! Im in an agreement how can they possibly be building a stadium if nothing has happened on the land they actually own. But perhaps they have changed their focus to the stadium situation. If Wael, as he said is here for the long haul, then he must realise we can not stay at the Mem. Really as much as nice bar and the other changes are required, that is surely only to keep us comfortable and to tidy up the place a little. To move forward though, Bristol Rovers NEED a new home. I am very much in it, believe it when i see it camp, but small part of me hoping there is something in this latest rumour..though i dont understand why i businessman would buy some land only to swap it for the current mem site. |
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Post by Gasshole on Jun 18, 2018 8:17:00 GMT
Heh, heh, heh, all this talk of a new stadium in two years, yet we've had a field in South Glos for sixteen months and nothing has happened there at all ! Training ground, looks finished to me. Just need Stewy to put the cones out. Shuttle runs tomorrow lads. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 8:32:45 GMT
Ok FWIW with my (very) limited and (extremely) tenuous links to the club, i am now led to believe this is gathering pace. I can also corroborate what Gashead1981 has stated. The shop is paid for by Macron, no brainer right!? The bar works on both side of the ground are a combination of insurance monies and input from Thatchers, no brainer right!? The stands, well, limited cost to implement and once in place will be profitable pretty sharpish i wouild imagine. All this cr@p about stadium improvements being proof there is no long term plan is just well cr@p. It simply proves we now have people at the club who know how to get things done. Sit tight people its likely to be a bumpy ride. Don't private message me... you know who you are!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 18, 2018 8:51:32 GMT
The new stands have been sorted quick enough. So I expect extending the length of time by a year or two, if we needed to, wouldn't be a problem. I can't see a new ground being ready in 2 years now. Even if it's Uwe, don't we have to reapply for planning permission?? That would depend on whether UWE let the planning lapse. I'm led to believe it hasn't but have not been able to corroborate that so unfortunately take it with a pinch of salt. The S Glos website suggests otherwise, can a local authority really keep that secret? Although Wael did say if the club progressed with the stadium then they would need to re-apply in any event. Although I assume like buying a car the club was offered a 1, 2 , 3 etc years lease deal and just went for 2 years on the basis they can extend it further when the need arises. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 8:52:55 GMT
So I assume the sale is available for all to see on the land registry then?
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Post by pucklegas on Jun 18, 2018 8:54:08 GMT
Ok FWIW with my (very) limited and (extremely) tenuous links to the club, i am now led to believe this is gathering pace. I can also corroborate what Gashead1981 has stated. The shop is paid for by Macron, no brainer right!? The bar works on both side of the ground are a combination of insurance monies and input from Thatchers, no brainer right!? The stands, well, limited cost to implement and once in place will be profitable pretty sharpish i wouild imagine. All this cr@p about stadium improvements being proof there is no long term plan is just well cr@p. It simply proves we now have people at the club who know how to get things done. Sit tight people its likely to be a bumpy ride. Don't private message me... you know who you are! Thanks cue another 400 pages, all sounds positive improvements no brainer 😂 |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 18, 2018 8:54:46 GMT
That would depend on whether UWE let the planning lapse. I'm led to believe it hasn't but have not been able to corroborate that so unfortunately take it with a pinch of salt. The S Glos website suggests otherwise, can a local authority really keep that secret? Although Wael did say if the club progressed with the stadium then they would need to re-apply in any event. Although I assume like buying a car the club was offered a 1, 2 , 3 etc years lease deal and just went for 2 years on the basis they can extend it further when the need arises. In all honesty, I really don't know but 81s post certainly rings true with other things I've been told which I found interesting since we have disagreed often in the past about things going on in the background. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 8:54:48 GMT
So I assume the sale is available for all to see on the land registry then? You can find all the details on the same website as the Unicorn Breeding Farm. |
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2018 8:58:39 GMT
Well said axegas. Some common sense at last! UTG! [br’. Our loses have doubled since the ALQs have taken over, we are top heavy in the boardroom and have an office in London to the tune of £250k a year. However not everything is bad and I agree that the club is making progress but most of that is down to DC and the ALQs allowing him money to appoint needed staff on the playing side. However those losses must be sustainable and they aren’t under Wael’s stewardship, which is why his big brother needs to guarantee the losses at the beginning of each financial year. We've already debunked the London office costs £250k per year bull. There is absolutely no way that is true. Last time it was raised the people asserting it admitted Hamer had said that included the staff costs of the individuals based there i.e. the PR guy and the director chap. So two senior members of staff NOT an office. |
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Post by Severncider on Jun 18, 2018 9:08:57 GMT
[br’. Our loses have doubled since the ALQs have taken over, we are top heavy in the boardroom and have an office in London to the tune of £250k a year. However not everything is bad and I agree that the club is making progress but most of that is down to DC and the ALQs allowing him money to appoint needed staff on the playing side. However those losses must be sustainable and they aren’t under Wael’s stewardship, which is why his big brother needs to guarantee the losses at the beginning of each financial year. We've already debunked the London office costs £250k per year bull. There is absolutely no way that is true. Last time it was raised the people asserting it admitted Hamer had said that included the staff costs of the individuals based there i.e. the PR guy and the director chap. So two senior members of staff NOT an office. So why was there an internal enquiry when this news was raised at the AGM, as too who released this info? |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 18, 2018 9:14:24 GMT
SMH
Internal enquiries now
Either there is a lot of bullsh*t about, or there are people that really should keep their own counsel
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 9:15:11 GMT
I think we need a signing.
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Post by Severncider on Jun 18, 2018 9:22:14 GMT
SMH Internal enquiries now Either there is a lot of bullsh*t about, or there are people that really should keep their own counsel Peter I'm afraid there has been several internal enquires about info that has been released/disclosed on this forum. |
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2018 9:22:16 GMT
We've already debunked the London office costs £250k per year bull. There is absolutely no way that is true. Last time it was raised the people asserting it admitted Hamer had said that included the staff costs of the individuals based there i.e. the PR guy and the director chap. So two senior members of staff NOT an office. So why was there an internal enquiry when this news was raised at the AGM, as too who released this info? Why don't you tell me? Whatever the answer is it seems completely irrelevant to the fact that there is absolutely no way a two desk office in London costs a quarter of a million pounds in premises costs. |
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