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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 1, 2018 6:45:39 GMT
Do you seriously think when it comes to get a certificate to hold 12,000 fans safely H&S worry about whether the bar area looks tidy or not, even of it did need a revamp a decade or so ago. Whether it looks tidy or not is not what I said. I'm more on about the kitchen area etc and the whole layout of the place. When we first moved into the Men istr that the place was a disaster waiting to happen in terms of H and S. It was brought up to an acceptable. Since then apart from a couple of roofs and some floodlights what has changed in over 20 years? Nothing much but do have of us really now want to see a Mem refurb rather than it demolished?
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Post by LJG on Jun 1, 2018 6:58:53 GMT
Toppers doing some assuming. Saying what he thinks. He doesn't think the EFL have regs relating to turnstiles so that's that ok? The EFL don't have regs relating to turnstiles. He doesn't reckon the maths for the temporary stand stacks up so guess what? The maths for the temporary stand doesn't stack up. If Topper's thought it you can bet the farm that that's the way it is. Accountants? Chartered Surveyors? P1ss off, let's just see what Topper reckons. Instead of your usual mouthing off on here just show me the link to the reg which insist all EFL clubs must have electronic turnstiles next season. In the event they do then clearly the owners are installing them as they have to not to make our match day experience any better, which I thought TG suggested was the intention. So called "Health" and so called "safety" so called "executive". Don't make me laugh. Topper's been in and had a shoofty round and he reckons the clubhouse bar is not only healthy and not only safe but certainly very executive.
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Post by LJG on Jun 1, 2018 7:02:49 GMT
Toppers doing some assuming. Saying what he thinks. He doesn't think the EFL have regs relating to turnstiles so that's that ok? The EFL don't have regs relating to turnstiles. He doesn't reckon the maths for the temporary stand stacks up so guess what? The maths for the temporary stand doesn't stack up. If Topper's thought it you can bet the farm that that's the way it is. Accountants? Chartered Surveyors? P1ss off, let's just see what Topper reckons. Instead of your usual mouthing off on here just show me the link to the reg which insist all EFL clubs must have electronic turnstiles next season. In the event they do then clearly the owners are installing them as they have to not to make our match day experience any better, which I thought TG suggested was the intention. But anyway - here: " Turnstiles 8.1 These must be of the automatic revolving type fitted with counting facilities and a computerised turnstile monitoring system" www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-1---membership-criteria-regulation-8/
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 1, 2018 10:40:11 GMT
Instead of your usual mouthing off on here just show me the link to the reg which insist all EFL clubs must have electronic turnstiles next season. In the event they do then clearly the owners are installing them as they have to not to make our match day experience any better, which I thought TG suggested was the intention. But anyway - here: " Turnstiles 8.1 These must be of the automatic revolving type fitted with counting facilities and a computerised turnstile monitoring system" www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-1---membership-criteria-regulation-8/Not even sure what that means, is it fully working electronic turnstile or just our present turnstiles with a computerised monitoring system. So are these new rules for 2018/19 or have we been ignoring them in the past with our numerous portaloos dotted around the ground? 11 Toilets 11.1 There must be adequate toilet facilities for both men and women (of all ages) in each separate area of the ground. There must be at least one washbasin in each toilet facility. Those areas of the ground providing disabled facilities in accordance with paragraph 15 below must also provide appropriate disabled toilet facilities. I guess this explains the new players tunnel we had installed last season 31 Protection of Players and Match Officials 31.1 There must be safe unimpeded passage for players and officials between their dressing rooms and the pitch Can't see there's much else to concern the owners in those regs, so sounds like there's a few year left in the Mem yet despite the suggestion H&S would be closing the ground down if wasn't improved.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 1, 2018 10:45:50 GMT
has anyone mentioned Dwane Developments yet out of interest.
losing track of the circular arguments
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Post by LJG on Jun 1, 2018 11:12:16 GMT
Not even sure what that means, is it fully working electronic turnstile or just our present turnstiles with a computerised monitoring system. So are these new rules for 2018/19 or have we been ignoring them in the past with our numerous portaloos dotted around the ground? 11 Toilets 11.1 There must be adequate toilet facilities for both men and women (of all ages) in each separate area of the ground. There must be at least one washbasin in each toilet facility. Those areas of the ground providing disabled facilities in accordance with paragraph 15 below must also provide appropriate disabled toilet facilities. I guess this explains the new players tunnel we had installed last season 31 Protection of Players and Match Officials 31.1 There must be safe unimpeded passage for players and officials between their dressing rooms and the pitch Can't see there's much else to concern the owners in those regs, so sounds like there's a few year left in the Mem yet despite the suggestion H&S would be closing the ground down if wasn't improved. Well those are EFL regs. Nothing to do with HSE. The English Football League is not the body charged with ensuring the safety and fitness for purpose of public spaces.
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Post by knowall on Jun 1, 2018 11:24:08 GMT
The trouble is, all the money they are spending on the stadium, which they undeniably are, makes no sense if the Mem is to be redeveloped properly at any point in the near future. It makes sense if there are no current plans for a rebuild. I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this. Rather than spend money on rented tents, tarting up the SC bar and buying portakabins and sheds, together with the electric turnstiles and new toilets, all of which must be costing somewhere between £250-£300k, surely that money is put to better use architecting and investing in a whole new stand and building that can house all of the above? Ok the cost would be more like £5m but the return on investment would surely be higher than the cobbled together polished turd we will have come August. That is exactly what the last Board thought and did - for twenty years - instead of improvements they spent money on architects etc - and we ended up with not even a lick of paint and near bankruptcy at least now things are improving while we wait for the bigger picture - and if the bigger picture does not materialize at least we are in a better state than for the last twenty years
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 1, 2018 12:25:11 GMT
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this. Rather than spend money on rented tents, tarting up the SC bar and buying portakabins and sheds, together with the electric turnstiles and new toilets, all of which must be costing somewhere between £250-£300k, surely that money is put to better use architecting and investing in a whole new stand and building that can house all of the above? Ok the cost would be more like £5m but the return on investment would surely be higher than the cobbled together polished turd we will have come August. That is exactly what the last Board thought and did - for twenty years - instead of improvements they spent money on architects etc - and we ended up with not even a lick of paint and near bankruptcy at least now things are improving while we wait for the bigger picture - and if the bigger picture does not materialize at least we are in a better state than for the last twenty years Now your talking nonsense if your happy with a couple of new tents etc over a complete stadium redevelopment the club desperately needs.
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Post by oldgas on Jun 1, 2018 12:29:19 GMT
Ive just come home from the Mem having just bought myself a replica home shirt. Tight fisted I know, but I'm not going to pay £47 for a bit of patterned Lycra. 1/2 price seems about right.
Anyway, the pitch is looking good, and not too far off how it was at kick-off for our first home game last season. When you consider there are over 9 weeks of growing time before the first home game, I reckon we're going to have the best playing surface ever.
The lady in the shop said there is a shirt sponsor for next season, but wouldn't say who it is, which is fair enough.. She also said the 2 new "stands" would be going up later in the summer, apparently they come prefabricated and take no time to erect.
So there you have it, slow but tangible improvements which can only be good news.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 1, 2018 12:42:22 GMT
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this. Rather than spend money on rented tents, tarting up the SC bar and buying portakabins and sheds, together with the electric turnstiles and new toilets, all of which must be costing somewhere between £250-£300k, surely that money is put to better use architecting and investing in a whole new stand and building that can house all of the above? Ok the cost would be more like £5m but the return on investment would surely be higher than the cobbled together polished turd we will have come August. That is exactly what the last Board thought and did - for twenty years - instead of improvements they spent money on architects etc - and we ended up with not even a lick of paint and near bankruptcy at least now things are improving while we wait for the bigger picture - and if the bigger picture does not materialize at least we are in a better state than for the last twenty years If the ALQs had built the UWE stadium The previous board would have been justified in all those costs, not only that, we would have been playing there in 2019/20 season. It was our best chance. But they haven’t, because apparently it wasn’t feasible and Wael didn’t want to take us out of our heartland and make us nomadic. Not that we actually know it wasn’t feasible, because we have never been told the real reasons and being in the middle of Stone Gifford a mile from the M32 and within a 5 mile radius of the Rovers heartland would have hardly made us nomadic. But if your happy with a fudged together polished turd that is the Mem for at least the next 5-10 years then bully for you and god save our current board. 🤦🏼♂️ There is more than plenty of evidence that a purpose built stadium is the best form of long term reward vs investment and the ones that haven’t made it work are the ones where the owners mismanaged everything at the club and creamed any profits that it made, Coventry and Darlington as an example.
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Post by singupgas on Jun 1, 2018 12:47:18 GMT
That is exactly what the last Board thought and did - for twenty years - instead of improvements they spent money on architects etc - and we ended up with not even a lick of paint and near bankruptcy at least now things are improving while we wait for the bigger picture - and if the bigger picture does not materialize at least we are in a better state than for the last twenty years If the ALQs had built the UWE stadium The previous board would have been justified in all those costs, not only that, we would have been playing there in 2019/20 season. It was our best chance. But they haven’t, because apparently it wasn’t feasible and Wael didn’t want to take us out of our heartland and make us nomadic. Not that we actually know it wasn’t feasible, because we have never been told the real reasons and being in the middle of Stone Gifford a mile from the M32 and within a 5 mile radius of the Rovers heartland would have hardly made us nomadic. But if your happy with a fudged together polished turd that is the Mem for at least the next 5-10 years then bully for you and god save our current board. 🤦🏼♂️ There is more than plenty of evidence that a purpose built stadium is the best form of long term reward vs investment and the ones that haven’t made it work are the ones where the owners mismanaged everything at the club and creamed any profits that it made, Coventry and Darlington as an example. Agree, must completely redevelop Mem bring side by to the ground... once there is a plan ORRRR build a new stadium elsewhere. The mem as it is with a new tent and and some paint here and there is not a long solution to bring success to the club, everybody can see it for what it is.
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Post by knowall on Jun 1, 2018 13:00:03 GMT
That is exactly what the last Board thought and did - for twenty years - instead of improvements they spent money on architects etc - and we ended up with not even a lick of paint and near bankruptcy at least now things are improving while we wait for the bigger picture - and if the bigger picture does not materialize at least we are in a better state than for the last twenty years Now your talking nonsense if your happy with a couple of new tents etc over a complete stadium redevelopment the club desperately needs. So you haven't seen the enhancements in the West Stand, and you won't be using the new bar, the new shop, the new electronic entrances and although the 'tents' may not be a permanent answer - at least some who braved the wet weather will next season be more comfortable. Presumably, you were not at the Awards Dinner either? And you have highlighted exactly the point. This Board has done more in a couple of years than the last in twenty years. And is there more to come? Maybe you will be surprised - but one thing is for sure - you will never admit you are encouraged or pleased!
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Post by knowall on Jun 1, 2018 13:31:28 GMT
That is exactly what the last Board thought and did - for twenty years - instead of improvements they spent money on architects etc - and we ended up with not even a lick of paint and near bankruptcy at least now things are improving while we wait for the bigger picture - and if the bigger picture does not materialize at least we are in a better state than for the last twenty years If the ALQs had built the UWE stadium The previous board would have been justified in all those costs, not only that, we would have been playing there in 2019/20 season. It was our best chance. But they haven’t, because apparently it wasn’t feasible and Wael didn’t want to take us out of our heartland and make us nomadic. Not that we actually know it wasn’t feasible, because we have never been told the real reasons and being in the middle of Stone Gifford a mile from the M32 and within a 5 mile radius of the Rovers heartland would have hardly made us nomadic. But if your happy with a fudged together polished turd that is the Mem for at least the next 5-10 years then bully for you and god save our current board. 🤦🏼♂️ There is more than plenty of evidence that a purpose built stadium is the best form of long term reward vs investment and the ones that haven’t made it work are the ones where the owners mismanaged everything at the club and creamed any profits that it made, Coventry and Darlington as an example. BUT the ALQs would not have been in the picture had the previous Board built at UWE. So why didn't they?? Because they couldn't, they had run out of money (even with a million from the Supporters) and needed someone else to come along and rescue the Football Club and some of them from worse than embarrassment. Playing at UWE without a sustainable income would have ensured our demise. Although I agree a purpose-built stadium is desirable for many reasons, I would suggest that a Club on the other side of town is proving that re-building on land that you own and where you can control income/expenditure can be more than profitable. In the mean-time, it pays to be patient.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 1, 2018 13:33:16 GMT
Now your talking nonsense if your happy with a couple of new tents etc over a complete stadium redevelopment the club desperately needs. So you haven't seen the enhancements in the West Stand, and you won't be using the new bar, the new shop, the new electronic entrances and although the 'tents' may not be a permanent answer - at least some who braved the wet weather will next season be more comfortable. Presumably, you were not at the Awards Dinner either? And you have highlighted exactly the point. This Board has done more in a couple of years than the last in twenty years. And is there more to come? Maybe you will be surprised - but one thing is for sure - you will never admit you are encouraged or pleased! I couldn’t make the awards dinner as my son was in intensive care at the time, sadly. I probably won’t use the new bar as I pay for a box so I tend to eat and drink in there. My point is, if the ALQs actually came up with a redevelopment plan, like I have said all along, to bring the club into the 21st century, with a time scale that doesn’t have to be clock watched but with a realistic target, for example, by season 20/21 we will be playing in this...but in the meantime we will improve X, Y and Z then all these works would make a lot more sense. But there isn’t a bigger picture or plan, these updates, for as far as we know at the moment, are nothing more than papering over a few cracks. When the ALQs took over there was all this blister about how we needed a new stadium, the landing lights were on and we want to build the UWE. UWE was what all of us wanted. But that’s been taken away and a few tents and a new bar put in its place. Forgive me for feeling a touch deflated and lacking trust in the new owners, especially with the Colony saga running parallel. I will say Putting temporary seating in is a good move for all concerned and should have been done years ago, the argument there was that we didn’t get the attendances to justify it. I would be more enthusiastic if we actually had a long term plan. Not a short term fudge.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 1, 2018 13:38:09 GMT
If the ALQs had built the UWE stadium The previous board would have been justified in all those costs, not only that, we would have been playing there in 2019/20 season. It was our best chance. But they haven’t, because apparently it wasn’t feasible and Wael didn’t want to take us out of our heartland and make us nomadic. Not that we actually know it wasn’t feasible, because we have never been told the real reasons and being in the middle of Stone Gifford a mile from the M32 and within a 5 mile radius of the Rovers heartland would have hardly made us nomadic. But if your happy with a fudged together polished turd that is the Mem for at least the next 5-10 years then bully for you and god save our current board. 🤦🏼♂️ There is more than plenty of evidence that a purpose built stadium is the best form of long term reward vs investment and the ones that haven’t made it work are the ones where the owners mismanaged everything at the club and creamed any profits that it made, Coventry and Darlington as an example. BUT the ALQs would not have been in the picture had the previous Board built at UWE. So why didn't they?? Because they couldn't, they had run out of money (even with a million from the Supporters) and needed someone else to come along and rescue the Football Club and some of them from worse than embarrassment. Playing at UWE without a sustainable income would have ensured our demise. Although I agree a purpose-built stadium is desirable for many reasons, I would suggest that a Club on the other side of town is proving that re-building on land that you own and where you can control income/expenditure can be more than profitable. In the mean-time, it pays to be patient. Incorrect. There was a solid plan b to deliver the stadium, the old board I think were blinded with what the ALQs said they could and would do. You speculate the UWE would have ensured our demise, what evidence do you have of that? You cannot compare what BCFC have done to what we are doing! They built 3 new stands with commercial opportunities within , we have got 2 new tents and a few new portakabins. Don’t make me laugh.
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Post by lpgas on Jun 1, 2018 14:31:51 GMT
Ive just come home from the Mem having just bought myself a replica home shirt. Tight fisted I know, but I'm not going to pay £47 for a bit of patterned Lycra. 1/2 price seems about right. Anyway, the pitch is looking good, and not too far off how it was at kick-off for our first home game last season. When you consider there are over 9 weeks of growing time before the first home game, I reckon we're going to have the best playing surface ever. The lady in the shop said there is a shirt sponsor for next season, but wouldn't say who it is, which is fair enough.. She also said the 2 new "stands" would be going up later in the summer, apparently they come prefabricated and take no time to erect. So there you have it, slow but tangible improvements which can only be good news. She meant after the Tennis had finished with them
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 15:24:59 GMT
True dit: Last season, I took my seven year old boy to his first ever game at the Mem. When we got in, he just looked at me, and he was being serious when he said, "I thought we were going to a proper football stadium!".
and that is when it struck home. If a seven year old kid can see that the Mem is a pit, why do so many fans seem to be wearing a blindfold?
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Post by knowall on Jun 1, 2018 15:43:07 GMT
So you haven't seen the enhancements in the West Stand, and you won't be using the new bar, the new shop, the new electronic entrances and although the 'tents' may not be a permanent answer - at least some who braved the wet weather will next season be more comfortable. Presumably, you were not at the Awards Dinner either? And you have highlighted exactly the point. This Board has done more in a couple of years than the last in twenty years. And is there more to come? Maybe you will be surprised - but one thing is for sure - you will never admit you are encouraged or pleased! I couldn’t make the awards dinner as my son was in intensive care at the time, sadly. I probably won’t use the new bar as I pay for a box so I tend to eat and drink in there. My point is, if the ALQs actually came up with a redevelopment plan, like I have said all along, to bring the club into the 21st century, with a time scale that doesn’t have to be clock watched but with a realistic target, for example, by season 20/21 we will be playing in this...but in the meantime we will improve X, Y and Z then all these works would make a lot more sense. But there isn’t a bigger picture or plan, these updates, for as far as we know at the moment, are nothing more than papering over a few cracks. When the ALQs took over there was all this blister about how we needed a new stadium, the landing lights were on and we want to build the UWE. UWE was what all of us wanted. But that’s been taken away and a few tents and a new bar put in its place. Forgive me for feeling a touch deflated and lacking trust in the new owners, especially with the Colony saga running parallel. I will say Putting temporary seating in is a good move for all concerned and should have been done years ago, the argument there was that we didn’t get the attendances to justify it. I would be more enthusiastic if we actually had a long term plan. Not a short term fudge. I see you answer for Topper as well now?
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Post by knowall on Jun 1, 2018 16:09:28 GMT
BUT the ALQs would not have been in the picture had the previous Board built at UWE. So why didn't they?? Because they couldn't, they had run out of money (even with a million from the Supporters) and needed someone else to come along and rescue the Football Club and some of them from worse than embarrassment. Playing at UWE without a sustainable income would have ensured our demise. Although I agree a purpose-built stadium is desirable for many reasons, I would suggest that a Club on the other side of town is proving that re-building on land that you own and where you can control income/expenditure can be more than profitable. In the meantime, it pays to be patient. Incorrect. There was a solid plan b to deliver the stadium, the old board I think were blinded with what the ALQs said they could and would do. You speculate the UWE would have ensured our demise, what evidence do you have of that? You cannot compare what BCFC have done to what we are doing! They built 3 new stands with commercial opportunities within , we have got 2 new tents and a few new portakabins. Don’t make me laugh. I am sad to disagree because you obviously have believed a story - but when Sainsbury's pulled out (£45million was it?) and the deadline for paying the loan was due, there was one other alternative which the Board's pride refused to accept, and luckily along came the ALQs. The previous Board was very brave and obstinate to the end but due to Sainsbury's they could not win. The comparison with BCFC is important because it shows what can be done when you own the freehold which was a major flaw with UWE. BRFC do own the freehold to the Mem and in the future that will be useful, but as you know full well the 'tents' are a stop gap and a useful one.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jun 1, 2018 16:10:15 GMT
That is exactly what the last Board thought and did - for twenty years - instead of improvements they spent money on architects etc - and we ended up with not even a lick of paint and near bankruptcy at least now things are improving while we wait for the bigger picture - and if the bigger picture does not materialize at least we are in a better state than for the last twenty years Now your talking nonsense if your happy with a couple of new tents etc over a complete stadium redevelopment the club desperately needs. Everyone keeps calling them tents. Is this another "fact" from Gaschat whereby if something is said enough times it becomes true?
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